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Scout
12-04-2007, 04:10 PM
Courtesy Alan Caldwell:

Tuesday, December 4, 2007
Best '91s?
My attention was called the other day to a post on a WHL message board regarding who the best 16 year old (1991-born) players in the league were this year. There must have been a good half-dozen names up for discussion.

So far this year, there have been 37 16 year olds who have played at least 15 games in the league this year. Here they are, with position, team, and stats:

Brayden Schenn (F-BRN) 29gp, 26pts, 43pim, +11
Tyson Barrie (D-KEL) 29gp, 20pts, 18pim, +7
Stefan Elliott (D-SAS) 29gp, 20pts, 21pim, -15
Evander Kane (F-VAN) 29gp, 17pts, 39pim, +4
Landon Ferraro (F-RDR) 30gp, 16pts, 30pim, -6
Scott Glennie (F-BRN) 23gp, 15pts, 16pim, +2
Jared Cowen (D-SPO) 28gp, 11pts, 22pim, +16
Cam Braes (F-LTH) 29gp, 10pts, 18pim, +7
Linden Vey (F-MH) 20gp, 8pts, 0pim, +3
Adam Hughesman (F-TRI) 23gp, 8pts, 7pim, +1
Jimmy Bubnick (F-KAM) 28gp, 8pts, 16pim, -2
Brandon Herrod (F-PA) 30gp, 8pts, 17pim, -2
Cody Carlson (D-MH) 22gp, 6pts, 19pim, +7
Brad Hoban (F-SC) 28gp, 6pts, 11pim, -5
Brodie Melnychuk (D-BRN) 22gp, 5pts, 23pim, +5
Matt Mackenzie (D-CGY) 24gp, 5pts, 6pim, +8
Justin Maylan (F-MJ) 15gp, 4pts, 6pim, -3
Jason Gardiner (F-TRI) 16gp, 4pts, 35pim, -2
Ryan Howse (F-CHI) 22gp, 4pts, 0pim, -6
Cody Eakin (F-SC) 26gp, 4pts, 33pim, -1
Curtis Hamilton (F-SAS) 28gp, 4pts, 12pim, -5
Garrett Mitchell (F-REG) 29gp, 4pts, 47pim, 0
Brenden Silvester (F-SEA) 17gp, 3pts, 4pim, +2
Ryan Kowalski (F-PG) 29gp, 3pts, 29pim, -7
Brayden McNabb (D-KTN) 30gp, 3pts, 21pim, +4
Alex Pym (D-REG) 17gp, 2pts, 16pim, -1
Ryan Button (D-PA) 22gp, 2pts, 16pim, -8
Collin Bowman (D-KEL) 25gp, 2pts, 20pim, +5
James Henry (F-VAN) 16gp, 1pts, 18pim, +2
Brett Ponich (D-POR) 20gp, 1pts, 8pim, -7
Charles Wells (F-SEA) 22gp, 1pts, 9pim, -2
Steve Chaffin (D-SEA) 26gp, 1pts, 37pim, -10
Art Bidlevskii (D-PG) 28gp, 1pts, 33pim, +1
Joe Antilla (F-KTN) 28gp, 1pts, 23pim, -3
Chase Schaber (F-CGY) 19gp, 0pts, 2pim, -2
Joel Rogers (D-SC) 21gp, 0pts, 21pim, -6
Brennan Yadlowski (D-LTH) 23gp, 0pts, 25pim, +5

The list is ordered by points, but at least in the case of defencemen, you don't need to have a lot of points to be doing your job. So take that into consideration.

One thing jumps out: when it comes to points, Brayden Schenn is dominating. A six point lead at this point translates into a 15-20 point lead at the end of the year. He is also a +11 on a team which many pundits didn't think would be that good. At least among forwards, he has no equals in the "best 16 year old" category. He's big, he scores, he's scrappy, what's not to like here.

Among the defencemen though, there's at least three obvious, serious candidates for "best": Barrie, Elliott, and Cowen. Personally, I think Elliott's -15 is a bit high for my liking, even considering the overall weakness of the Blades defensively. This is a guy who, while he is scoring a lot of points, is probably having some problems defensively if he is a -15. And on the other side of the coin, it's hard not to be impressed by Jared Cowen's big +16.....but in a reverse of Elliott, Cowen is playing for an overall strong team defensively. So you have to consider that too - if the two were to switch teams, their +/- numbers would probably be a bit different. And then right smack in the middle is Barrie, who has both Elliott's scoring numbers as well as Cowen's strong +/- number. Hard to pick just one, I like them all for different reasons. But Barrie seems to be a good compromise choice. Overall though, I have to go with Schenn as the best '91 in the league so far this year. My opinion only though.....your opinion is no less right or wrong.

I also want to single out a guy like Cody Carlson, who does not have a lot of points but is a strong +7 on a Tigers team that is allowing as many goals as it scores.

HomerSimpson
12-04-2007, 06:48 PM
Courtesy Alan Caldwell:

Tuesday, December 4, 2007
Best '91s?
My attention was called the other day to a post on a WHL message board regarding who the best 16 year old (1991-born) players in the league were this year. There must have been a good half-dozen names up for discussion.

So far this year, there have been 37 16 year olds who have played at least 15 games in the league this year. Here they are, with position, team, and stats:

Brayden Schenn (F-BRN) 29gp, 26pts, 43pim, +11
Tyson Barrie (D-KEL) 29gp, 20pts, 18pim, +7
Stefan Elliott (D-SAS) 29gp, 20pts, 21pim, -15
Evander Kane (F-VAN) 29gp, 17pts, 39pim, +4
Landon Ferraro (F-RDR) 30gp, 16pts, 30pim, -6
Scott Glennie (F-BRN) 23gp, 15pts, 16pim, +2
Jared Cowen (D-SPO) 28gp, 11pts, 22pim, +16
Cam Braes (F-LTH) 29gp, 10pts, 18pim, +7
Linden Vey (F-MH) 20gp, 8pts, 0pim, +3
Adam Hughesman (F-TRI) 23gp, 8pts, 7pim, +1
Jimmy Bubnick (F-KAM) 28gp, 8pts, 16pim, -2
Brandon Herrod (F-PA) 30gp, 8pts, 17pim, -2
Cody Carlson (D-MH) 22gp, 6pts, 19pim, +7
Brad Hoban (F-SC) 28gp, 6pts, 11pim, -5
Brodie Melnychuk (D-BRN) 22gp, 5pts, 23pim, +5
Matt Mackenzie (D-CGY) 24gp, 5pts, 6pim, +8
Justin Maylan (F-MJ) 15gp, 4pts, 6pim, -3
Jason Gardiner (F-TRI) 16gp, 4pts, 35pim, -2
Ryan Howse (F-CHI) 22gp, 4pts, 0pim, -6
Cody Eakin (F-SC) 26gp, 4pts, 33pim, -1
Curtis Hamilton (F-SAS) 28gp, 4pts, 12pim, -5
Garrett Mitchell (F-REG) 29gp, 4pts, 47pim, 0
Brenden Silvester (F-SEA) 17gp, 3pts, 4pim, +2
Ryan Kowalski (F-PG) 29gp, 3pts, 29pim, -7
Brayden McNabb (D-KTN) 30gp, 3pts, 21pim, +4
Alex Pym (D-REG) 17gp, 2pts, 16pim, -1
Ryan Button (D-PA) 22gp, 2pts, 16pim, -8
Collin Bowman (D-KEL) 25gp, 2pts, 20pim, +5
James Henry (F-VAN) 16gp, 1pts, 18pim, +2
Brett Ponich (D-POR) 20gp, 1pts, 8pim, -7
Charles Wells (F-SEA) 22gp, 1pts, 9pim, -2
Steve Chaffin (D-SEA) 26gp, 1pts, 37pim, -10
Art Bidlevskii (D-PG) 28gp, 1pts, 33pim, +1
Joe Antilla (F-KTN) 28gp, 1pts, 23pim, -3
Chase Schaber (F-CGY) 19gp, 0pts, 2pim, -2
Joel Rogers (D-SC) 21gp, 0pts, 21pim, -6
Brennan Yadlowski (D-LTH) 23gp, 0pts, 25pim, +5

The list is ordered by points, but at least in the case of defencemen, you don't need to have a lot of points to be doing your job. So take that into consideration.

One thing jumps out: when it comes to points, Brayden Schenn is dominating. A six point lead at this point translates into a 15-20 point lead at the end of the year. He is also a +11 on a team which many pundits didn't think would be that good. At least among forwards, he has no equals in the "best 16 year old" category. He's big, he scores, he's scrappy, what's not to like here.

Among the defencemen though, there's at least three obvious, serious candidates for "best": Barrie, Elliott, and Cowen. Personally, I think Elliott's -15 is a bit high for my liking, even considering the overall weakness of the Blades defensively. This is a guy who, while he is scoring a lot of points, is probably having some problems defensively if he is a -15. And on the other side of the coin, it's hard not to be impressed by Jared Cowen's big +16.....but in a reverse of Elliott, Cowen is playing for an overall strong team defensively. So you have to consider that too - if the two were to switch teams, their +/- numbers would probably be a bit different. And then right smack in the middle is Barrie, who has both Elliott's scoring numbers as well as Cowen's strong +/- number. Hard to pick just one, I like them all for different reasons. But Barrie seems to be a good compromise choice. Overall though, I have to go with Schenn as the best '91 in the league so far this year. My opinion only though.....your opinion is no less right or wrong.

I also want to single out a guy like Cody Carlson, who does not have a lot of points but is a strong +7 on a Tigers team that is allowing as many goals as it scores.

I like this discussion; hopefully it will lead to many strong debates. One point I will argue, being a Chiefs fan (obviously) is what you said about Cowen being on an overall strong defensive team. It's hard to call the Chiefs a strong defensive team when you look at what we have defensively:

Justin Falk: 19yo; our only defenseman with over 100 games of WHL experience before the season at 119. Drafted in the 5th round by Minnesota.
Jared Spurgeon: 18yo; 84gp in the WHL before the season. Extremely injury prone, the team kept 8 defensemen around for a long time until Spurgeon proved he could remain healthy. We all knew about his talent, it was just a matter of whether or not he could show it this year.
Michael Reddington: 17yo, our only other experienced WHLer this year. Played in 73 WHL games before this season.
Brett Bartman: 18yo, 0 WHL games before '07-'08.
Jace Coyle: 17yo, 0 WHL gp
Stefan Ulmer: 17yo, 0 WHL gp...maybe the only defender in the league smaller than Spurgeon.
Jared Cowen: 16yo, 6 WHL regular season games before this year.

I think the Jareds (Cowen and Spurgeon), who have been our top pairing since day 1, are the main reason we're at the top of the WHL right now. Sure, that Bowman/Wahl/Bruton line has stepped up as maybe the top line in the league, but it's due in large part to the fact that they usually have the Cowen/Spurgeon pair playing behind them. The big concern for Spokane before the season was our young defense, and it was said that if Jared Cowen could step right in and prove his worth right off the bat, we'd be a contender.

As far as importance to their team goes, I would put Jared Cowen right along side Braydon Schenn. Being a die-hard Chiefs fan, I'd love to say Cowen all the way...but it's hard to overlook Schenn, so I'll give my best of the forwards and the defensemen.

1f. Schenn
1d. Cowen

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 06:58 PM
This is how I see it:

1.Schenn- Brandon
2.Barrie- Kelowna
3.Cowan- Spokane
4.Glennie- Brandon
5.Elliott- Saskatoon

Bocephus
12-04-2007, 06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to seeing the Chiefs here on Wednesday. Go Canes Go.

hobster
12-04-2007, 07:00 PM
Ok here's mine

1. Schenn
2. Elliott
3. Barrie
4. Cowan
5. Kane

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 07:20 PM
Ok here's mine

1. Schenn
2. Elliott
3. Barrie
4. Cowan
5. Kane

How do you think Kane is better than Glennie? And how is Elliott better than Barrie?

hobster
12-04-2007, 07:46 PM
Sorry it's hard too please everybody

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 07:48 PM
Sorry it's hard too please everybody

I wasn't critisizing you or anything, I was just wondering why you think Kane is better than Glennie and Elliott better than Barrie.

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 08:07 PM
Elliott is better than Barrie on the mere fact that Barrie has a far superior supporting cast on defense and offence on his team. Stefan Elliott has always been a better prospect and that hasn't changed. Elliott was BC Midget Allstar defense, BC minor hockey player of the year the year before and has been on scouts radar for yrs.

As for Kane being better than Glennie....I don't even think we have to go there! Kane could be on par with Schenn even.

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 08:13 PM
1. Jared Cowen
2. Brayden Schenn
3. Stefan Elliott
4. Evander Kane
5. Landon Ferrero
6. Adam Hughesman
7. Scott Glennie
8. Tyson Barrie
9. Cody Carlson
10. Matt Mckenzie

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 08:22 PM
Elliott is better than Barrie on the mere fact that Barrie has a far superior supporting cast on defense and offence on his team. Stefan Elliott has always been a better prospect and that hasn't changed. Elliott was BC Midget Allstar defense, BC minor hockey player of the year the year before and has been on scouts radar for yrs.

As for Kane being better than Glennie....I don't even think we have to go there! Kane could be on par with Schenn even.

Yeah, but Saskatoon's defense was supposed to be ok, and I don't care whether you are 20 or 16, -17 or whatever Elliott is, is brutal, he obviously needs to work on his play in his own zone. And if you think Kane is on par with Schenn you have to be crazy, no 16 year old compares to Schenn, but for forwards Glennie comes second.

hobster
12-04-2007, 08:26 PM
Well im not sure if Brandon has better offensive d-men like w do for the up coming years with guys like Niemi and Elliott,Niemi just scored tonight in his first game back after missing 17 games

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 08:32 PM
You talk to any scout for ISS or Central Scouting and they'll tell you that Kane is a better player than Glennie and that Elliott is in the top 3 for 1991 born players, some even have Elliott ahead of Schenn. Glennie I was being generous with my ranking. He is not even close to being in the top 5. You ask Kelly McCrimmon if he'd take Landon Ferraro or Ryan Howse over Glennie and he'd look and you and almost laugh and say YES YES YES!

Eye.Of.The.Tiger
12-04-2007, 08:33 PM
Top 10:

1. Brayden Schenn (F-BRN)
2. Landon Ferrero (F-RD) - cant judge him based on his point totals as hes playing for a brutal team, just wait a few seasons
3. Stefan Elliot (D-SAS)
4. Scott Glennie (F-BRN)
5. Tyson Barrie (D-KEL)
6. Jared Cowen (D-SPO) - Fortunate to be apart of an excellent team, not much offensive talent
7. Evander Kane (F-VAN)
8. Cam Braes (F-LET)
9. Adam Hughesman (F-TRI)
10. Linden Vey (F-MH)

Honorable Mention:
Brayden McNabb (D-KTN)

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 08:34 PM
Yeah, but Saskatoon's defense was supposed to be ok, and I don't care whether you are 20 or 16, -17 or whatever Elliott is, is brutal, he obviously needs to work on his play in his own zone. And if you think Kane is on par with Schenn you have to be crazy, no 16 year old compares to Schenn, but for forwards Glennie comes second.

No, Saskatoon was and is in a rebuilding year for the defense with no 19 yr olds and only Flatters whom they added early this year being 20. Other than that their go to guys are ELLIOTT, ZAHN, NIEMI, KLASSEN who are all very young and in there 1st or 2nd yrs.

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 08:37 PM
Top 10:

1. Brayden Schenn (F-BRN)
2. Landon Ferrero (F-RD) - cant judge him based on his point totals as hes playing for a brutal team, just wait a few seasons
3. Stefan Elliot (D-SAS)
4. Scott Glennie (F-BRN)
5. Tyson Barrie (D-KEL)
6. Jared Cowen (D-SPO) - Fortunate to be apart of an excellent team, not much offensive talent
7. Evander Kane (F-VAN)
8. Cam Braes (F-LET)
9. Adam Hughesman (F-TRI)
10. Linden Vey (F-MH)

Honorable Mention:
Brayden McNabb (D-KTN)

I agree with Cam Braes. He is very good, he deserves to up there just as much as anyone. I believe Evander Kane will continue to move up the rankings and Jimmy Bubnick and Carter Ashton will be guys to watch as well this season. The top 7 guys could switch around alot yet this season.

Eye.Of.The.Tiger
12-04-2007, 08:41 PM
I agree with Cam Braes. He is very good, he deserves to up there just as much as anyone. I believe Evander Kane will continue to move up the rankings and Jimmy Bubnick and Carter Ashton will be guys to watch as well this season. The top 7 guys could switch around alot yet this season.

Yeh I've been very impressed with Braes hes very composed at both ends of the ice for a 16 year old. He already surpassed my expectations. 7 goals already and probably a 15-20 goal year on the way.

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 08:54 PM
No, Saskatoon was and is in a rebuilding year for the defense with no 19 yr olds and only Flatters whom they added early this year being 20. Other than that their go to guys are ELLIOTT, ZAHN, NIEMI, KLASSEN who are all very young and in there 1st or 2nd yrs.

Yeah, Brandon is supposed to be rebuilding too, Regardless of your situation, -17 is unacceptable, and Glennie is better than Kane, for your information Glennie has 2 goals tonight and is looking good

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 08:57 PM
Yeah, Brandon is supposed to be rebuilding too, Regardless of your situation, -17 is unacceptable, and Glennis is better than Schenn, fyi Glennis has 2 goals tonight.


Blades fans are happy with Elliott and he is quite likely in the Top 3 as far as 1991 born players go right now. Talk to any scout and they'll tell you that Kane is on par with Schenn and Elliott is likely the Top 1991 offensive Dman in the league.

Eye.Of.The.Tiger
12-04-2007, 08:58 PM
Yeah, Brandon is supposed to be rebuilding too, Regardless of your situation, -17 is unacceptable, and Glennis is better than Schenn, fyi Glennis has 2 goals tonight.

Not a chance man, we'll see whos the better player in 4 years, in my mind Schenn is a more complete well rounded player but only time will tell

hobster
12-04-2007, 08:59 PM
And Niemi is crazy good too with 7 goals in 13 games from defence and is only 17 wow this guy is gonna go high in the NHL draft next year

Eye.Of.The.Tiger
12-04-2007, 09:02 PM
And Niemi is crazy good too with 7 goals in 13 games from defence and is only 17 wow this guy is gonna go high in the NHL draft next year

Yes i also like Niemi he reminds me alot of Sami Salo, injury prone with an ABSOLUTE bomb of a shot. hopefully he gets better luck with the inury bug though in all seriousness, he has a chance to go high in the draft if he continues at this pace.

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 09:04 PM
Not a chance man, we'll see whos the better player in 4 years, in my mind Schenn is a more complete well rounded player but only time will tell

My mistake that was a typo, I meant Glennie is better than Kane

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 09:06 PM
My mistake that was a typo, I meant Glennie is better than Kane

And how many times have you seen Evander Kane play live? hmmm....Scouts will tell you that Kane is better than Glennie by a lot and on par with Schenn.

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 09:08 PM
And how many times have you seen Evander Kane play live? hmmm....Scouts will tell you that Kane is better than Glennie by a lot and on par with Schenn.

And people used to say Colin Fraser was better than Eric Fehr, they are only 16 and there is no definate way to tell who is better, but the numbers are on Glennies side, and I for one think he is alot better than Kane

hobster
12-04-2007, 09:08 PM
Personally i would take Schenn over Kane i like Schenn's grit with his awesome playmaking skills .

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 09:09 PM
Well I guess you should replace the boys at ISS and Central Scouting then because obviously they are out to lunch having Glennie ranked 8th for 91 born players and Kane well ahead of him.

hobster
12-04-2007, 09:10 PM
Just a opinion is all, and i think Kane has a better suporting cast than Schenn does .

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 09:12 PM
And people used to say Colin Fraser was better than Eric Fehr, they are only 16 and there is no definate way to tell who is better, but the numbers are on Glennies side, and I for one think he is alot better than Kane

I was always more impressed with the overall game of Colin Fraser more so than the overall game of Eric Fehr. I thought of Fehr as a floater and I highly doubt he'll ever do much at the NHL leval if anything at all. Kind of reminded me of a bit more gritty Pavel Brendl type of player.

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 09:12 PM
Just a opinion is all, and i think Kane has a better suporting cast than Schenn does .

Exactly, people seem to forget that the Schenn line consists of Calvert who is a 18 year old rookie and Glennie who is also 16.

Eye.Of.The.Tiger
12-04-2007, 09:12 PM
I would take Glennie and Schenn over Kane as it stands right now. Who would have thought the Wheaties would be where they are right now and thats attributed to guys like Glennie and guys like Schenn stepping up there game big time. Evander Kane is fortunate enough to play for a team that was already in contention before the season began so because of that i'd take Glennie or Schenn

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 09:12 PM
And people used to say Colin Fraser was better than Eric Fehr, they are only 16 and there is no definate way to tell who is better, but the numbers are on Glennies side, and I for one think he is alot better than Kane

I always thought Ryan Stone was the guy that made Fehr look good and I would've taken Stone in a heartbeat over Fehr.

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 09:14 PM
Exactly, people seem to forget that the Schenn line consists of Calvert who is a 18 year old rookie and Glennie who is also 16.

Schenn and Glennie are tremendous 16 yr olds in this league! I would rank Schenn 1st or 2nd and Glennie wouldn't be in the Top 5 is all.

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 09:21 PM
Schenn and Glennie are tremendous 16 yr olds in this league! I would rank Schenn 1st or 2nd and Glennie wouldn't be in the Top 5 is all.


Well to me Glennie is a top 5, the kid is a pure sniper and has 12 goals in 24 games. Schenn on the other hand is a hands down #1 for me, Kane and Elliott don't even compare. We in Brandon are lucky to have the 2 top 16 year old forwards.

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 09:23 PM
Don't be silly....You know damn well that Kelly McCrimmon wouldn't hesitate if Lorne offered Stefan Elliott and asked for Glennie in return. That is just a plain silly comment. :spineyes:

Eye.Of.The.Tiger
12-04-2007, 09:24 PM
Well to me Glennie is a top 5, the kid is a pure sniper and has 12 goals in 24 games. Schenn on the other hand is a hands down #1 for me, Kane and Elliott don't even compare. We in Brandon are lucky to have the 2 top 16 year old forwards.

Now those are just biased comments from a Brandon fan, its ok to support your players at all costs but to constantly put them ahead of every other rookie in the league is wrong. Because you never know 4 years down the road who is gonna shine

WHL Crazy
12-04-2007, 09:25 PM
Now those are just biased comments from a Brandon fan, its ok to support your players at all costs but to constantly put them ahead of every other rookie in the league is wrong. Because you never know 4 years down the road who is gonna shine

To put Glennie ahead of guys like Elliott, Ferraro, Howse, Bubnick and even Barrie is kind of silly. I'm sure any GM in this league would tell him that.

hobster
12-04-2007, 09:25 PM
Well to me Glennie is a top 5, the kid is a pure sniper and has 12 goals in 24 games. Schenn on the other hand is a hands down #1 for me, Kane and Elliott don't even compare. We in Brandon are lucky to have the 2 top 16 year old forwards. Yeah and i think you build from defence out he would take Elliott over Glennie thats a no brainer not every day you can get a Ian White style d-man

WHEATMAN
12-04-2007, 09:27 PM
Don't be silly....You know damn well that Kelly McCrimmon wouldn't hesitate if Lorne offered Stefan Elliott and asked for Glennie in return. That is just a plain silly comment. :spineyes:

I was talking about Schenn, not Glennie, I would take Elliott for Glennie though

hobster
12-04-2007, 09:29 PM
I was talking about Schenn, not Glennie, I would take Elliott for Glennie though Fair enough i would take Schenn over Elliott too but it would not be a lanslide trade.

AlanC
12-04-2007, 09:31 PM
It's hard to call the Chiefs a strong defensive team when you look at what we have defensively:


Defensive hockey is more than just the defencemen though. If the forwards aren't committed to playing hard without the puck, coming back hard into their own zone when they lose the puck and picking up their checks, the best group of defencemen in the world can't look good on a team like that. Conversely, if everyone on the team is committed to playing well defensively, that makes the job of an average defence that much easier.

Spokane has allowed by far the fewest goals in the league which to me, means they have a good team commitment to defensive hockey. That makes the job of everyone on their defence, including Cowen, much easier than the defencemen on some other teams.

It's really, really hard to pick one out of that group of Cowen, Elliott, and Barrie. They are all going to be huge stars in this league by the end of their careers here, and probably in the NHL as well. It's a tough group and they're all great players.

And for the guy who keeps bringing up Niemi in these discussions - he's 17, not 16.

hobster
12-04-2007, 09:35 PM
Iv never said he's 16 iv always said he was 17 and that he will be drafted high into the nhl draft next year

sbtatter
12-04-2007, 09:48 PM
I'm a Brandon fan so I'm biased I guess, but I think Schenn is the best 16 year old in the league. I hear a lot of unbiased others say the same though, even players from other teams are saying it....
Glennie, I love the way he scores, but he's unconventional. He was a bit injury prone in AAA, so if he recovers from this concussion ok I'll be happy. I think he doesn't always know what he's doing, so it confuses the other team!! He's a pure goal scorer, who, if he keeps it up could crack the top 5 as a 16 year old.
Having said all this, defence is harder to play as a 16 year old than forward.
Schenn is the real deal, the next Getzlaff maybe? Ferraro is also very, very good, just on a bad team. Ashton is also good, Bubnick and Eakin too. Elliot, Barrie, Melnychuk are all having great seasons as 16 year old d-men.... Schenn is by far the best 16 year old so far though.....

Trav
12-05-2007, 06:33 PM
that Glennie is doing as well as he is because of Schenn and Calvert. Whenever Glennie scores, you usually see Schenn's name right beside. Someone awhile back said that Schenn does all the work on that line. I'd take Schenn over Glennie any day. Glennie is good but I just have a feeling that the reason he has all these goals is thanks to his linemates. Just the sense that I get from what I've heard.

Ferraro is also going to be a damn good player in the future. When Red Deer came here to Saskatoon, he was by far the most noticeable player on the ice. Wished he was with the Blades lol.

My top five picks would be....

1. Schenn - Could be a top five nhl pick by the sound of it
2. Ferraro - Best player on RD with maybe the exception to Sutter
3. Elliot - Great offense, defense isn't bad, -15 only because he's on the ice a lot.
4. Barrie - Very impressive
5. Kane - he played in the memorial cup final if im not mistaken, that has to say something bout him, Hay had to have had loads of confidence in him.

The Draft Guy
12-08-2007, 04:55 PM
Based on what I'm hearing so far, Jared Cowan has to be right at the top - he looks like he's going to be a great player.