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Scout
04-11-2008, 07:39 AM
with Gregg Drinnan

Thursday, April 10, 2008

The Moose Jaw situation . . .
The WHL has been talking the talk to Moose Jaw for a long time. Now, however, it sounds as though the league is reaching into the tool chest for the hammer. . . . The Moose Jaw Civic Centre (aka the Crushed Can), the home of the Warriors, no longer is a laughingstock throughout the WHL; unfortunately, it is past that. . . . And, according to a story that appears in Friday’s Regina Leader-Post, WHL commissioner Ron Robison is making no bones about the fact that the league thinks it’s time for the good citizens of Moose Jaw to fish or cut bait. . . . Robison’s message in the story, a terrific piece by The Leader-Post’s Rob Vanstone, is simple: Build a new rink, refurbish the Civic Centre or run the risk of losing your franchise. . . . This story is part of a series that is appearing in The Leader-Post this week. It appears here with Vanstone’s permission. . . .

By ROB VANSTONE
Regina Leader-Post
REGINA — Small markets have become a big issue in the Western Hockey League.
That is especially true with regard to the Moose Jaw Warriors’ situation.
The WHL has made it clear to the Warriors and Moose Jaw civic officials that the league’s facility standards must be adhered to. The 2,705-seat Civic Centre falls far short of the standards.
“We’re obviously under the gun, time-wise,” said Warriors governor Darin Chow, who also is a Moose Jaw city councillor. “The window of opportunity gets narrower all the time because of the cost of construction that keeps going up.”
When a plebiscite was held late in 2006, Moose Jaw voters gave their assent to a proposed. 4,500-seat Multiplex. The city has committed $15 million to the project — the cost of which was initially quoted at $36 million — with the proviso that another $5 million be raised in the community.
In addition, the provincial government has committed $8.3 million, with the federal government likely to match that amount. The aforementioned pledges would put the amount of funds raised in the vicinity of $36 million.
However, projected construction costs have since soared to between $55
million and $60 million. Moreover, a site for the multi-purpose facility has
yet to be selected.
“Obviously, it’s taking considerably longer than anticipated to arrive at a
decision on a new facility,” WHL commissioner Ron Robison said.
The league has presented Moose Jaw with two options: (1) Build a new arena; or, (2) renovate the Civic Centre to the point where it complies with the standard. The latter option is widely perceived to be cost-ineffective.
“We are allowing them the time that it takes to get back to them on what
their plans will be,” Robison said.
“However, we’re getting very concerned, given the fact that there’s a
commitment to have a new facility, or a facility of standard, by 2009-10.
It’s apparent that they∂re going to be coming back to us with a request for an extension.”
Chow appreciates the WHL’s patience, but is himself getting antsy.
“I have frustrations about the way the process has gone to date,” Chow
said. “I’ve been involved in this for at least 10 years now, trying to get a
new facility.
“It does cause me some concern but, that being said, I still hold out a lot
of hope that people will realize that this is our last and best opportunity
to do something not only to ensure the long-term viability of the Warriors, but also to do something for the community overall.
“Our current facility is approaching five decades old and if it hadn’t have
been for the people having the foresight back at the time they were building the Civic Centre to do something about it, we’d still be playing outside.”
Robison has indicated to the Warriors and the city that “a very clear
position and a full commitment” must be in place by the time the league
holds its annual meeting in June.
“If there’s a firm commitment with an immediate time frame attached to it, we are prepared to consider that,” Robison said. “We are not prepared to consider something that would be indefinite . . . If it goes beyond our June meeting, I think the situation becomes very much a concern.”
And what happens if the concerns are not allayed?
“We’ll have to consider whether this franchise is relocated to another
market,” the commissioner stated.
“They have an obligation to have a facility of standard and if they’re not
in compliance with the league bylaws and constitution, then we would take steps to have the franchise relocated.”
Warriors GM Chad Lang must field and contend with the questions.
“From our perspective, it’s starting to have its effect,” Lang said. “It
has its effect when it comes to recruiting staff and personnel. It’s going
to continue to have some effect as far as your recruiting of hockey players.
“With the (bantam) draft (approaching), that’s a comment when we have our interviews with parents. They ask ‘What’s the status of the new facility?’ or ‘Is there going to be a new facility?’ At the end of the day, you get tired of trying to continually say where you’re at or defend what’s going on.
“I’m a big believer that the business sector and the community at large here in Moose Jaw are fully supportive of a Western Hockey League team. I think they deserve a Western Hockey League team. I think if they’re given an opportunity with a new facility, I think it’s going to be very successful.”
But what if it doesn’t come to that?
“It would be sad to see them gone but, to be perfectly blunt, if they’re too
stupid to get a rink built, they deserve whatever they get,” Regina Pats GM
Brent Parker said. “I’m not talking about their fans and I’m not talking
about their management. If their city council is too stupid to build a rink,
then they get what they deserve. It would be a shame, but see you later. The fans in Swift Current hate us enough, anyways. They’ll take over.”
Parker is optimistic that the worst-case scenario will not materialize.
“I think they’ll get something done but, boy, it certainly has gone on for a
while,” he said. “If they don’t think we’re serious when we say that if
it’s not done by the deadline that has been imposed, then the franchise will be revoked, they’re going to get a real rude awakening.
“Their fans deserve a lot of credit for going to that dump for as long as
they have and supporting that team as well as they have. The only bonus of that rink is you only have to look at three rows of their fans on the other
side as opposed to having to look at all of them. That’s the only good side
about that rink. Having said that, their visitors’ dressing room is better
than ours.
“They’ve done as much as they can. Am I worried about them? Naah. It would be wrong for me to worry about them, but I would be disappointed if they left.”
Despite what the WHL deems to be an inadequate facility, the Warriors are viable — as are the Swift Current Broncos and Prince Albert Raiders.
Saskatchewan’s three community-owned, small-market franchises all have surpluses.
Swift Current and Prince Albert recently renovated their facilities to meet
the WHL’s standard.
“It was absolutely key,” Broncos governor Ben Wiebe said. “We had
identified that five years ago, that things had to change. We had to be able to increase our ability to raise revenue. The city stepped up. We had to have that done to survive.”
The Broncos have not merely survived. They are the only East Division team that remains in the WHL playoffs.
But even in times of prosperity, the small-market teams must battle to stay afloat.
“There’s not a lot of margin for error,” Robison said. “They must maximize
revenue streams in terms of attendance and sponsorship — local support being so important.
“The league will do its part with respect to controlling its costs. We have
a business model in place that we want to preserve, and we do so to protect the small markets in particular. But it’s incumbent on those markets to ensure that those markets are near capacity every night and that the corporate support is there for the club on an ongoing basis. If that’s the case, then our commitment is to maintain the business model and attempt to maintain those franchises.”
That includes Moose Jaw, providing that a new complex can eventually be
erected.
“This is a pretty significant project for a community of our size,” Lang
said. “At the end of the day, I’d rather us be in a position where we’ve
done our due diligence and made sure that we built and went about a new facility right the first time rather than being in a situation where three or four years down the road, we’re questioning the facility that we’ve constructed.
“You get one opportunity to make the facility work and be beneficial for the community as a whole.”

Toswammi
04-11-2008, 01:06 PM
Things look bleak in MJ. I have said it before, the costs are only going up, and there is no way the rink will be operational in 18 months. So unless there is a lot of community funding, i dont know if MJ will be around past 2010

agent
05-03-2008, 10:18 AM
When the league announces next month that the team is being pulled out of Moose Jaw it should generate some roster movement as well . vc1tt

Arthur Fonzerelli
05-03-2008, 10:42 AM
Is it that serious that something could happen quickly? That would be a big disappointment to see the team pulled out of MJ. It's not as if the politicians weren't aware that it could happen, but like politicians the buck just kept getting passed on. This is not good news.

During the commissioners interview on TV he made mention of Nanaimo and Victoria specifically as well as interest from places he didn't specify.

Toswammi
05-03-2008, 11:17 AM
Is it that serious that something could happen quickly? That would be a big disappointment to see the team pulled out of MJ. It's not as if the politicians weren't aware that it could happen, but like politicians the buck just kept getting passed on. This is not good news.

During the commissioners interview on TV he made mention of Nanaimo and Victoria specifically as well as interest from places he didn't specify.

That would even out the teams in the conferences

Scout
05-03-2008, 04:12 PM
If indeed Moose Jaw is pulled. I believe Nanaimo is the front runner right now for a team. Ron made the same threat to Swift Current and stated both teams had to bring their arenas up to league standards. Swift Current city council realized that the Broncos are a vital part of the community and bring alot of people into town from the surrounding area and added to the economy. It seems Moose Jaw council has not realized this. They bulked at the $ 35 million dollar price tag and now i'm told it is over $ 60 million.

Scout

Toswammi
05-03-2008, 04:28 PM
If indeed Moose Jaw is pulled. I believe Nanaimo is the front runner right now for a team. Ron made the same threat to Swift Current and stated both teams had to bring their arenas up to league standards. Swift Current city council realized that the Broncos are a vital part of the community and bring alot of people into town from the surrounding area and added to the economy. It seems Moose Jaw council has not realized this. They bulked at the $ 35 million dollar price tag and now i'm told it is over $ 60 million.

Scout

I remember hearing the price tag is around $80 million thanks to the increased cost of products, labor, etc.
If they do build a new arena there will be cut backs in other parts of the city, it's a tough decision in that regard. Have to feel for the team though, as they are really caught in limbo.

Arthur Fonzerelli
05-04-2008, 04:35 PM
This is all I could dig up on Nanaimo so far. On April 16/08 a Nanaimo councillor filed a notice of motion to be debated at the council meeting of April 28/08 for the city to investigate possible downtown sites for building an arena/entertainment multiplex. No news on how that meeting went.

The present home of the BCHL Nanaimo Clippers will hold approximately 3000 (if they are shoehorned in). Nanaimo has a city population of approx. 80,000 and probably another 50,000 within an hours drive. It's a great sports town but it is losing a lot of jobs as the forest industry on the BC Coast gets pummelled by the American Mortgage Crisis.

Certainly they could support a dub team but the city politicians will have the final say on whether they would build an arena for them to play in.

wardog fan
05-04-2008, 05:37 PM
i can say this , the warriors will not move. the steering committee is slated to meet sometime this month with their final report and then the city council will decide on which location. alot of people are making alot into this but the bottom line is as long as ground is broke and a plan is in place the team will stay. the only negative i have been hearing is the process and the length of it and i have also heard some big name backers of the new rink are getting restless in this process. the only thing that will prevent this team from staying is city council and not haveing a plan in place by the start of the 2010 season. this team will not be moving to naiamo end of story i wish people who are making the rumors on here and talking stuff would stop . you people dont know whats going on behind closed doors here and we still have entire season of hockey to have a plan in place end of story....

wardog fan
05-06-2008, 10:00 AM
They stepped up to the plate and knocked one out of the park. Okay maybe it’s the wrong sport but the idea is still there.

The Moose Jaw Warriors showed their true colours Monday night at Moose Jaw City Council as they made a presentation in front of our elected officials and some members of the community.

Warrior's Vice President Gerry Onyskevitch took to the podium and talked about their last board meeting.

"A motion was made at the meeting and carried unanimously... that the Moose Jaw Warriors make a financial commitment to the multiplex project in the sum of 2.5 million dollars. A cheque for 500 thousand dollars to be issued when the project is approved and a further 200 thousand dollars per year for 10 years starting the year the multiplex is completed."

Of course the Warriors will be the major tenant if the multiplex is ever built and there has been some criticism over the fact they have remained silent, until now, regarding funding for the project.

Council is waiting on the final recommendations from the Multiplex Steering Committee before any decisions will be made. It sounds like that won't happen until June.

Scout
05-06-2008, 11:33 AM
Glad the Warriors stepped up. I think most peoples opinions is they have nothing against the Warriors but your city council maybe not realizing what the team does for your economy. Lets hope they do see it and move forward before the costs get any higher.

Scout

wango tango
05-07-2008, 10:23 AM
They stepped up to the plate and knocked one out of the park. Okay maybe it’s the wrong sport but the idea is still there.

The Moose Jaw Warriors showed their true colours Monday night at Moose Jaw City Council as they made a presentation in front of our elected officials and some members of the community.

Warrior's Vice President Gerry Onyskevitch took to the podium and talked about their last board meeting.

"A motion was made at the meeting and carried unanimously... that the Moose Jaw Warriors make a financial commitment to the multiplex project in the sum of 2.5 million dollars. A cheque for 500 thousand dollars to be issued when the project is approved and a further 200 thousand dollars per year for 10 years starting the year the multiplex is completed."

Of course the Warriors will be the major tenant if the multiplex is ever built and there has been some criticism over the fact they have remained silent, until now, regarding funding for the project.

Council is waiting on the final recommendations from the Multiplex Steering Committee before any decisions will be made. It sounds like that won't happen until June.

i hope for warrior fans and moose jaw citizens city councillors make the right decision. my fear is when the report comes back and the dollar figures are out, it will make council balk. i hope councillors understand the value of a whl franchise to civic prestige and pride.

HURRICANE'S ROCK
05-07-2008, 04:54 PM
i can say this , the warriors will not move. the steering committee is slated to meet sometime this month with their final report and then the city council will decide on which location. alot of people are making alot into this but the bottom line is as long as ground is broke and a plan is in place the team will stay. the only negative i have been hearing is the process and the length of it and i have also heard some big name backers of the new rink are getting restless in this process. the only thing that will prevent this team from staying is city council and not haveing a plan in place by the start of the 2010 season. this team will not be moving to naiamo end of story i wish people who are making the rumors on here and talking stuff would stop . you people dont know whats going on behind closed doors here and we still have entire season of hockey to have a plan in place end of story....

It's not just people on here. Ron Robinson in his TV interview, I think said a plan has to be in place by this June, not 2010. I think he was serious as I found him to be almost overly blunt as to how he felt. I don't think he was just whistling in the wind. As for the team coming up with 2.5 mill out of an 80mill project does not seem like much money. I hope they work it out. Small prairie towns have been the backbone of hockey for who knows how long!

sbtatter
05-07-2008, 07:04 PM
$80 million is a ridiculous amount of money for a small rink. Didn't the MTS centre only cost $120 million to build a few years ago?

Toswammi
05-07-2008, 10:12 PM
$80 million is a ridiculous amount of money for a small rink. Didn't the MTS centre only cost $120 million to build a few years ago?

Maybe they changed this, but i don't believe its just a hockey rink.

wango tango
05-08-2008, 11:19 AM
from gregg drinnan's blog...

"The good people of Moose Jaw seem determined to push the WHL right to the wall. The WHL’s annual meeting is scheduled for June 17-18 in Calgary, and the league has asked Moose Jaw to make a commitment to a new or refurbished building before then. However, a decision has yet to be made. The Moose Jaw Times-Herald reports that city council awaits a final recommendation from a steering committee, something that may not be available until sometime in June. . . . The Warriors pledged $2.5 million – over a 10-year period – to the project earlier this week but only on the condition that city council approves construction of a multiplex. Still, Moose Jaw has yet to settle on a site for a possible new facility and a project that once had a price tag of $36 million now is going to cost at least $60 million as costs continue to rise. . . . According to attendance figures at mib.org, the Warriors drew 85,084 fans to 36 homes games, a decrease of 3.79 per cent over the previous season. Their total left them in 20th place in the 22-team league. . . . WHL commissioner Ron Robison has said repeatedly that the league will move the franchise if something isn’t done to bring the city’s facility up to league standards. And there doesn’t seem much sense in pouring money into the Civic Centre, which is about 50 years old. . . . Robison has been so adamant that the Warriors have a better facility in which to play that he has a lot of credibility riding on this issue, so it might be best for Moose Jaw, assuming it wants to keep its franchise, not to push the commissioner to the wall. . . . Nanaimo Warriors? . . ."

and toswammi i believe it's a multi purpose type of facility proposed.