Coach-Gm

[hockeyfansec2A]

Hey Raider Fans

Ok Im Realy starting to feel Bruno is way in over his head. I belive A GM needs to put more attention to List players and scouting, But as a GM?coach how Can you, Yes There are a few but Those coaches.gm;s ahve been doing it for years.

I ahte to say it but i dont see much of a Future as of right now, i sure hope Im wrong, But With Mac and bernie Gone next yr Thats 3/4 our scoring, So hoestly, were not gonna make the playoffs this year, lets trade Bernhard, hes on a Hot streak And be nice to get a good 18 yr old for him

[Doogie_T-BirdsFan]

you guys are just figuring this out now. Had this pegged a season and like 20 games ago.

[Arthur Fonzerelli]

good speculation but do the Raider's have enough in the the budget to pay for both a GM and a Head Coach?

[SaskHockeyFan]

I don't think they have enough in the budget not to. 1800 fans tonight. Now I know it is a Tuesday and the game was on TV but wow. I have been saying all year that Bruno is over his head so it's nice to have someone else saying the same thing. Better men than Bruno have given up one or the other. He should give up being coach and just be GM or give Steve Young the head title and be assistant for both. What made the executive think that a guy with coaching and GM experience in the BCHL was ready to be coach and GM in the WHL. That is a huge leap.
I did think the boys played real hard against Swift Current but couldn't put it away. The stayed back off the forecheck and as the old saying goes, if your not going forwards you're going backwards. It was way too early in the game to pull the foot off the throttle and take a defensive stance. That is all coaching.

[bigjimmer]

I was a skeptic at first, however I like what Bruno has done for the organization and brought out of this team.

As for the comments on being over his head, I don't think it's the case. I simply think we are witnesseing a team full of in-experience and not many have won. The team works hard, and shows up every night. Bruno has done the right thing brining in a guy like Steve Young some new scouts and some new visions for the organization.

I usually agree with most of your guys comments, but on this one, I am going to stay supportive of the Bruno and hope the best for the team.

Just one man's opinion. Go Raider's good luck against the Warriors on Saturday
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[SaskHockeyFan]

Bigjimmer, don't get us wrong, we all hope for the best for the team. I really do wish that Bruno was the right choice but it is a huge task to be a coach and GM in this league. As I mentioned the other day, when was the last diamond in the rough the GM has brought in from the junior A ranks. Granted, with 22 teams in the league it is getting harder to find a listed not drafted player. But other teams do it. I think bringing in Rowley was a good choice so far. But at what cost. We gave up the only physical defenceman we had. With the duties of GM and head coach, Bruno is over his head. Have you ever had the opportunity to sit in on a practice or watch him interact with his players? Everyone says Bruno is doing such great things with the team and a new day has come. Our older players are still in the bars (maybe not as often) and the casino is visited every day. Until he can get our 19 and 20 year olds on board, we are in the same position as other years. We don't have one real veteran leader in the room. At this point we are pretty easy team to play against.

[Dwight Schrute]

perhaps bruno and steve young should split up duties more.... young is a good coach, they are both on the payroll already..... just an idea

[SaskHockeyFan]

I would agree Danno, Bruno needs to give up some duties. Having him as Head Coach and GM isn't cutting it whether his hands are tied or not by what Don Clark did. Other GMs are out watching other teams play. They are scouting divisional and non-divisional games looking for that "deal". Bruno is busy micromanaging the whole operation and needs to focus on one thing or the other. Don't get me wrong, I am not a Campese fan and think he is over his head. That being said, we are stuck with him for a while and to limit his role and expand Young's role is probably the best way to go financially.

[Dwight Schrute]

i am a campese fan, but i do think perhaps a little more time spent scouting junior "A" or taking in a few more midget or whl games might be more useful. it will be another year or two because of like raiderfan15 says years of bad drafting and bad development (tendler, aime, smith, palazzo, vann, doucet, mike wilson) but making the best deals to aquire draft picks, and younger players, while giving quality ice time to the kids and building around them (ie harrison). maybe if campese were to spend less time running practice and more time working the phones and scouting it could bode well for the future.
personally if dealing the big 3 bernhardt, mcdonald, robertson helps us improve for the future (like jeff may's trade) and give them a solid opportunity for a playoff run and help them showcase for a possible pro contract, then thats what should happen. its not like im saying blow it up we need to rebuild, im saying we are in the middle of a rebuild aquire longer term assets that will help us for longer.

[bladesmemskychamps]

why not start rebuilding this year and get some young talent for bernhardt...pa gonna have no scoring next year unless they start doing something now...macdonald robertson and bernhardt gone next year so ship them out fetch a fair penny for all of them and start building a sick team...why not have bernhardt in a blades jersey and reunite him with hulak and give those twenty year olds a chance to go deep in the playoffs

[Wildeyes]

because with the track record in the playoffs the blades have they would only get to play an extra 4 games after the end of the season

[tito34]

Depend what the Blades are willing to give up. Id want more than picks. Something similiar to the Jeff May deal but maybe a better prospect or roster player

[bladesmemskychamps]

atleast the blades will have a shot at it and adding a player like bernhardt gives u more scoring and the powerplay that much more dangerous for us...and with them being road warriors all day they could be dominate...if you were gonna make a deal who would u throw in from pa

[intheknow]

why not start rebuilding this year and get some young talent for bernhardt...pa gonna have no scoring next year unless they start doing something now...macdonald robertson and bernhardt gone next year so ship them out fetch a fair penny for all of them and start building a sick team...why not have bernhardt in a blades jersey and reunite him with hulak and give those twenty year olds a chance to go deep in the playoffs everyone is so concerned with all the scoring we lose without having these 3 20 year olds next year. if everyone looks at the stats they will see that those 3 are a combined minus 21, not to mention a lot of bad penalties. they get all the powerplay time so they should have a ton of points. winning teams are built on defense anyhow so we should be better off next year as the back end matures. are any of these guys worth as much as jeff may?

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

because with the track record in the playoffs the blades have they would only get to play an extra 4 games after the end of the season

4 more than PA

[Brandonite]

I only like Bruno because he's was drafted by the Boston Bruins like 20+ years ago in like the 13th round or something haha!!

[SaskHockeyFan]

Come on now Intheknow. Robertson is -18 by himself. Bernhardt is +2 and MacDonald is -5. Bernhardt is probably worth just as much as Jeff May to a team that needs a 20 year old who can be creative and put the puck in the net. Bernhardt would be more successful if Bruno would let him play his type of game on the ice but he won't. Bernhardt dumps the puck into the zone then drops his shoulders and skates off. The system Bruno wants them to play is not the best one for out pond hockey 20 year olds.( and that is not meant as a slam against them). They are the kids who can toe drag their way from one end to the other through crowds but that is not the way it works this year.
I don't think Bruno " owes" it to the three 20s this year. May was drafted and spent all his time with PA so it was nice to see him extend his career by a few weeks. Our three 20 year olds look like they can't wait to get the season over with anyway.

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

Our three 20 year olds look like they can't wait to get the season over with anyway.

Just Robertson. Boy has he struggled. Is he playing hurt?

[intheknow]

Come on now Intheknow. Robertson is -18 by himself. Bernhardt is +2 and MacDonald is -5. Bernhardt is probably worth just as much as Jeff May to a team that needs a 20 year old who can be creative and put the puck in the net. Bernhardt would be more successful if Bruno would let him play his type of game on the ice but he won't. Bernhardt dumps the puck into the zone then drops his shoulders and skates off. The system Bruno wants them to play is not the best one for out pond hockey 20 year olds.( and that is not meant as a slam against them). They are the kids who can toe drag their way from one end to the other through crowds but that is not the way it works this year.
I don't think Bruno " owes" it to the three 20s this year. May was drafted and spent all his time with PA so it was nice to see him extend his career by a few weeks. Our three 20 year olds look like they can't wait to get the season over with anyway. wow +2, about where ash was. Bernhardt won't chase a dump in, but does occasionally stick handle all the way in if you watch closer

[SaskHockeyFan]

Oh, I have watched very close because it was something I keyed on. Not very often Bernie chases a dump in. If he has been on the ice for any length of time at all, he drops his shoulders and skates to the bench. Dump and chase only works if the players forecheck hard enough or have enough speed going into the zone to get the puck back. Otherwise it is simply dump and turn over which has been the case for most of this year.

[bladesmemskychamps]

bernhardt may dump it in he may stick handle all the way in at the end of the day he is getting the job down for the raiders. so with all this talk about everyone thinking the 20 year olds are going to go somewhere..who is most likly to go? and where? and what about PA's goalies are they going to trade one of them away to?

[hockeyfansec2A]

hey guys

If they Pd Donny Clark 120,000 A year To do Nothing And around 60,000 toa coach they sure can afford to have 2 seperate people

But Ok I been thinking about this lately,

PA, Swift, MJ are Community owned teams, Except for all the 3 teams having 1 good yr in the past many years, i feel the Vancouvers and calgarys ect have way too much $$ to spend on hiring quality people, yea i do think bruno has done a good job, But Vancouver ect are paying multiple couts to go find the players year in year out

My opinion but i feel in the harde times ahead attendance is getting worse every year, gonna be hard for pa and mj to keep there teams.

[red light special]

It is only a matter of time b4 bruno is out.
watch the news

[Bocephus]

hey guys

If they Pd Donny Clark 120,000 A year To do Nothing And around 60,000 toa coach they sure can afford to have 2 seperate people

But Ok I been thinking about this lately,

PA, Swift, MJ are Community owned teams, Except for all the 3 teams having 1 good yr in the past many years, i feel the Vancouvers and calgarys ect have way too much $$ to spend on hiring quality people, yea i do think bruno has done a good job, But Vancouver ect are paying multiple couts to go find the players year in year out

My opinion but i feel in the harde times ahead attendance is getting worse every year, gonna be hard for pa and mj to keep there teams.
I couldn't agree more. I believe we will see the smaller markets losing their teams because their fans will not support a non competitive team year after friggin year with no hope in site. Why would they? How can they compete with the Calgarys, Vans, etc.... It isn't a fair fight.

[clockwise]

Time for profit sharing and split up the wealth form private owned deep pockets to the small market community owned teams its just not fair to compare Vancouver and Edmonton and Calgary to teams like Swift, PA and MJ. The League must step up if they want these 2 markets to co-exist.

[Wildeyes]

Is there a big fad going around town that every two years we need a new coach.

We have to give the coach some time come on guys he was dropped into a pile of **** when he got here. Give him time to clean the mess that he was left with.

Bruno is a very good coach and we should be lucky to have him here. Give him time. He needs it so that he can draft the players he wants. coach the players he wants he has done well in the draft this year and last yr. ie Harrison

If we keep on changing coaches every 2 years we will never get any where.

[SaskHockeyFan]

Wildeyes, what makes you say Bruno is a very good coach? Just wondering what experience with him you are basing that statement on? Is it his BCJHL record because he has shown nothing in the WHL to show his anything along the lines of a very good coach. The best thing Bruno did was to bring Steve Young onboard and now Bruno can step aside and let Steve have a go. Whatever it is Bruno is selling the boys aren't buying.

[Wildeyes]

maybe its not the coach maybe its the players. Now a day the players think its a right to play in the dub not a privalige. What makes you think that Bruno is a bad coach.

[SaskHockeyFan]

Record on and off the ice. Team has not had success on the ice since Bruno arrived (no success there). Off the ice, the older players are still in the casino and bars (no success there). The dressing and on the ice is a shambles of egos. Bruno couldn't protect a young player from being attacked by an older player and once it occurred nothing was really done about it.( no success there). I am just wondering when people say he is a good coach what they are basing their opinion on? What has he done for the PA Raiders since his arrival.
The year before Bruno arrived we made the playoffs and had a win percentage of .417. Since Bruno arrived we have had a win percentage of just under .400. and are looking to not make the playoffs for a second year. Prior to his arrival, the dressing room was cleaned up through trades to get rid of the veteran players who were not performing and were a disturbance. What has Bruno done since he has been GM to clean up the room? There is still work to be done to purge the room of problems. He made one good trade to get a couple players for Jeff May but that was a pretty easy trade to make. I would like to hear what you think he has done that qualifies him as a " good coach" ? Fan support of the team has dropped to around 2000 fans per game announced. His job is also to put bodies in the seats and that hasn't occurred either. I am more than willing to read your list of successes he has had that qualify him as a good coach.

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

Record on and off the ice. Team has not had success on the ice since Bruno arrived (no success there). Off the ice, the older players are still in the casino and bars (no success there). The dressing and on the ice is a shambles of egos. Bruno couldn't protect a young player from being attacked by an older player and once it occurred nothing was really done about it.( no success there). I am just wondering when people say he is a good coach what they are basing their opinion on? What has he done for the PA Raiders since his arrival.
The year before Bruno arrived we made the playoffs and had a win percentage of .417. Since Bruno arrived we have had a win percentage of just under .400. and are looking to not make the playoffs for a second year. Prior to his arrival, the dressing room was cleaned up through trades to get rid of the veteran players who were not performing and were a disturbance. What has Bruno done since he has been GM to clean up the room? There is still work to be done to purge the room of problems. He made one good trade to get a couple players for Jeff May but that was a pretty easy trade to make. I would like to hear what you think he has done that qualifies him as a " good coach" ? Fan support of the team has dropped to around 2000 fans per game announced. His job is also to put bodies in the seats and that hasn't occurred either. I am more than willing to read your list of successes he has had that qualify him as a good coach.

I have always thought that Bruno was way over his head, but in saying that, contrary to these things you claim like a continuing disturbance in the lockerroom (not sure how you know that unless your watching them shower), but at times this season, the team looked really good and played really well against some higher end teams. Sadly, the players only get up for games against the top end teams and home games. The players on this team are more physically prepared and are in better shape than in the past.

Really, you can only make work of the talent you were distilled upon, and we're still seeing the reminisce of some of Clark's doing (although we need to quit putting all the blame on Clark already). The powerplay and penalty kill have been a lot better than in the past, but again, on most nights, the effort is there, but team's are just more talented. I don't think Bruno brings a philosophy that will fool anyone in this league. I think early on, it worked and caught teams off guard, but now teams are keying in on Robertson, Button and others, and the systems aren't getting through. The guy they might really be missing is Manson and his defensive co-ordination. Last season Bruno was able to put his stamp at the Bantam draft, and next season we'll see how that plays out. From here on, it's no longer Clark's doing or Anholt or anyone else but Bruno and these players.

Most of the time, a coach can only do so much, and when they implement systems and formations, it's up to the players to follow those designs and execute them to the best of their ability; right now the team is relying on the PP, and 3 20 year olds. Sadly, we're going to be having this conversation next season when the only guy scoring goals is Cameron and Harrison.

[Wildeyes]

its been 1 1 /2 yrs guys wow are we that quick to judge performance look at molleken in stoon he had some bad team until he drafted the players he wanted and waited until they were ready now look at them. Fine fire Bruno let the raiders be know as a revolving door for coaches. Lets bring back terry simpson.

[SaskHockeyFan]

Quote .."a continuing disturbance in the lockerroom (not sure how you know that unless your watching them shower),"

There is no need for comments like that.

As I said earlier, the disturbances were mostly taken care of by the last GM. Bruno picked this team and has had the power to make and moves he wants to all year. Has he made any moves to shore up our veteran players with a real leader for this year or next? Let's only hope that at the trade deadline, someone wants one of our 20 year olds so we can get a player down the road that will be of value. Unfortunately, as this year goes Bruno won't give up the goals they score but then we are not really rebuilding at all. Either rebuild or win games, the fans would be appreciative of either. What he is doing right now is neither. Make a move Bruno. For sure if Bruno doesn't make some moves the executive has to and the only move they will make is to replace him. Move those veteran guys and let the young players like Revenko, Harrison, Aasman, Dotan and Martin get some ice time. He cannot properly teach them or evaluate them on three to five shifts a game.

[intheknow]

hey Saskhockeyfan, you are off the mark with a number of your comments. you say our only physical d-man was traded( Thiessen is physical if you haven't noticed) you blame Clarke for the picks( it was Obrien doing the picking, Clarke is only guilty of keeping him around too long) you say the older guys are still in the bars and casino( they don't go to the bars because it is not allowed and so what if they do go to the casino, what does that hurt? do you condem players if they play sports select or 649 to) you don't like Bruno's coaching. can you give a couple examples? bye the way, Clarke was GM for the May deal. you say move the veteran guys and let the young players get ice time. Harrison already gets all he can handle and the rest are being worked in as often occurs with rookies.

[SaskHockeyFan]

Hey, Intheknow, Theissen has been playing forward as of late and a one third line dman who plays physical is hardly a big deal. Theissen is a willing combatant to scrap but I would hardly call him a physical Dman.
All of the scouts told Clark not to pick Penner but at the last minute Clark announced, to the surprise of the scouts, that they were selecting Penner. I agree Clarke kept Obrien around too long.
The older players DO go into the bars and it is a WHL rule that they are not to be in bars or casinos. I hardly said they couldn't play 649 or Sport Select. JT's is the bar of choice in case you want to join them some evening.
Clark was GM for the May deal in name only. It was a week later that they announced Campese as GM. Clark was already on his way out before Christmas and agreed to stick around an extra month to help out Campese.
We have two capable goalies, Zemlak should be moved before the deadline. There are more rookies than Harrison. I say give up this season to rebuilding and move any veteran players we can get something for. The main coaching problems I have with Campese is that the players have not bought in to the style of coaching that he has brought to the team. He won't bench players like MacDonald, Robertson, Bernhardt, and Cameron when they have a bad game or do something blatantly wrong. Cameron has banged his stick how many times this year and taken obvious unsportsmanlike penalties and has he learned anything? Campese is so scared to lose a game that he won't sit a player to make a point. Our systems worked OK at the beginning of the year but as soon as teams caught on to them we have been on a losing skid. Our line combinations have been changed so many times the guys don't even know who they are playing with from game to game. How do you develop chemistry within a line when it is switched up all of the time.
There are some of my examples, what has he done since his arrival to be called a good coach?

[red light special]

fire sale.
Include Campese in the mix.

[intheknow]

Hey, Intheknow, Theissen has been playing forward as of late and a one third line dman who plays physical is hardly a big deal. Theissen is a willing combatant to scrap but I would hardly call him a physical Dman.
All of the scouts told Clark not to pick Penner but at the last minute Clark announced, to the surprise of the scouts, that they were selecting Penner. I agree Clarke kept Obrien around too long.
The older players DO go into the bars and it is a WHL rule that they are not to be in bars or casinos. I hardly said they couldn't play 649 or Sport Select. JT's is the bar of choice in case you want to join them some evening.
Clark was GM for the May deal in name only. It was a week later that they announced Campese as GM. Clark was already on his way out before Christmas and agreed to stick around an extra month to help out Campese.
We have two capable goalies, Zemlak should be moved before the deadline. There are more rookies than Harrison. I say give up this season to rebuilding and move any veteran players we can get something for. The main coaching problems I have with Campese is that the players have not bought in to the style of coaching that he has brought to the team. He won't bench players like MacDonald, Robertson, Bernhardt, and Cameron when they have a bad game or do something blatantly wrong. Cameron has banged his stick how many times this year and taken obvious unsportsmanlike penalties and has he learned anything? Campese is so scared to lose a game that he won't sit a player to make a point. Our systems worked OK at the beginning of the year but as soon as teams caught on to them we have been on a losing skid. Our line combinations have been changed so many times the guys don't even know who they are playing with from game to game. How do you develop chemistry within a line when it is switched up all of the time.
There are some of my examples, what has he done since his arrival to be called a good coach?i don't like Bruno as a coach mainly for 2 of the same reasons as you. line combinations are not only changed from game to game, but period to period even when not working around penalties. in the pre-game coaches show the other night Bruno stressed developing line chemistry by keeping guys together, that game he switched lines by the second period. you are bang on with naming the 4 you did that do as they please and never get punished. most games it is sickening to watch their soft play all over the ice but especially in their own end. i know Thiessen has been playing up lately because there isn't enough forwards on the roster, but he was playing back when the trade was made and he is more physical than the rest combined. i understand Obrien insisted on penner and that Clarke wanted Bubnyck or someone else

[SaskHockeyFan]

Thanks intheknow, it's nice to be able to express opinions without someone bashing you. From what I know of the Penner draft, the scouts all met the night before the draft as well as Clark and Obrien. They agreed not to draft Penner. When Clark approached the podium the next day and announced the were selecting Penner, all of the scouts were surprised to hear it. I agree with you on Theissen, he is more physical than anyone else but his foot speed and lateral movement take him out of the realm of being physical other than along the boards. I am OK with the Stebner for Rowley trade but would have liked to see someone else gone but hey, you have to give something up to get something. I was looking forward to seeing how Stebner would be as a 19-20 year old. Rowley may be a good puck mover and skater but we lost on the physical side. Rowley to me is a combination of Deck and Button but seems to make more errors than the other two combined.

[westbeach55]

just wondering how you know this information or is it just speculation. do you have any proof or evidence to back your opinions. also do you have season tickets and support the team. your not going to win to many games when your first line could be a third line on most other teams in the dub.As far as penner goes the raiders were given alot of feedback from former raiders chris schlenker about how penner was and his attitude (something didn't work out at least so far) There are to many people or so called fans that like to shoot their mouths off but will never attend any games yet when there winning there the first to be at the ahc. I think some of these questions should be asked at the next town hall meeting. As far as trading off players this should happen at the trade deadline

[SaskHockeyFan]

Ask any scout who was active during the Penner draft and they will tell you what I told you. Scouts love hockey and love to talk hockey and are only to willing to tell you things about the team and it's picks (both good and bad). I wouldn't speculate on something and have details that accurate. What do you want for proof or evidence? Is it the bar/casino attendance you question?
Yes, I have been at almost every Raiders home game this year and stay till the end not leaving after the 50/50 number is announced. Are my concerns not valid? What has Campese done this year or last to show he is a " good coach"? There still hasn't been anyone to give one example supporting that claim. Everyone just keeps asking for examples of why I don't think he is. Someone give a couple of examples of why he is a good coach and we can debate it.

[intheknow]

Ask any scout who was active during the Penner draft and they will tell you what I told you. Scouts love hockey and love to talk hockey and are only to willing to tell you things about the team and it's picks (both good and bad). I wouldn't speculate on something and have details that accurate. What do you want for proof or evidence? Is it the bar/casino attendance you question?
Yes, I have been at almost every Raiders home game this year and stay till the end not leaving after the 50/50 number is announced. Are my concerns not valid? What has Campese done this year or last to show he is a " good coach"? There still hasn't been anyone to give one example supporting that claim. Everyone just keeps asking for examples of why I don't think he is. Someone give a couple of examples of why he is a good coach and we can debate it. the team has an enforced curfew so i am not worried about them being in the bar or out at night. as far as the casino, who could care a less if they are in there or at the bingo hall? if guys wanted to drink and gamble they could just sit home and do it easily with all the online gaming sites.

[westbeach55]

campese can only coach with what players he has give to him. give him and his scouting staff some time to fix the mess of past drafts.

[SaskHockeyFan]

First of all intheknow, I agree that they could but they aren't. It's all part of "buying in" to what the team is trying to do and that shows to me that they are not buying in at all. What a huge way to separate the younger players from the older ones. It is Bruno's job to get them to "buy in" and he's not getting that done. Hockey is a team game and unless all players are on the same page, contributing the same amount of energy (yes I realize some are more skilled than others), and adhering to the same goal oriented philosophies, you wont have a true "team". It is the "teams" of the past that we enjoyed watching in PA. The ones that came and worked hard every night whether they were down a goal or two or not. Bruno's job first and foremost is to get them to work hard every shift. Other teams do it. We got totally outworked the other night against Red Deer. They are no better a team than us (as a matter of fact I think we have a better team) but they all worked hard every shift and won the game. No bad reffing calls, no bad turnovers, no one to blame. They just outworked us. I agree that Bruno can only coach what he was given a year ago when he took over. So far, the small number of trades he has made as GM haven't really changed the face of the hockey team I would say. He needs to do something real early in January on the trade front. That being said, someone has to want what we have got to offer. About the only thing we have of value this year that Bruno would be willing to trade is Bernie. I cannot see anyone wanting the likes of MacDonald, Robertson, Cameron, Lamb, or Theissen. Someone may take a flyer on Zemlak in hopes they are going into the playoffs and need a good backup.( the reason I say backup is that a team that feels it is going to go far into the playoffs probably already has a solid starter. I think Zemlak is good just we won't need him here next year anyway.) He isn't trading Deck, Rowley, Aasman, Harrison, Martin, Button or Revenko. That only leaves Hickmott, Kochan, Dobrowalski and a few others for him to move other than our older players. I guess we'll see come January 10th. Westbeach55, I think he's out of time. If he doesn't make some moves at the deadline, we are looking at watching the same team next year minus about 100 goals.

[westbeach55]

we just don't have the talent right now and need to be patient. the blades are a perfect example with molleken we don't have to much to trade but should get a couple of good players and picks come trade deadline. give campese a chance he has already done more than clark did in 8 years

[SaskHockeyFan]

That's what I keep asking and no one will give one example of what he has done. Not one example so far. What has he done that was more than Clark? What has he done at all? We keep hearing to be patient. We are in the position the Blades were in 4-5 years ago. Will it be another 4-5 years until we make the playoffs?

[Wildeyes]

HE IS OUT OF TIME *** A year and a half and he is out of time WOW. If we keep on changing coaches like you change your under ware we will never have a good team EVER cause we will always change the way the team will play. What do you have against Bruno did he not tip you last time he ordered pizza or what yes i am tired of rebuilding every year two but we still have to give him time to build the team he wants to build threw the draft. The kids now a day think its a right to play in the dub not a privalige like its supposed to the kids have to much power. WA WA Bruno yelled at me hey i wont play good and then he will get fired ha ha that will should him he cant yell at me. SCREW THAT and dont tell me that doesnt happen cause it does. I have been up and down this province watching hockey at all levels i talk to a lot of players coaches and scouts. The onus is on the players as it is on the coach but it is easier got be mad at the coach then it is for the players cause everyone loves the players and hates the coach. AW Bernie is so sweet but is last DAMN BRUNO ahh McDonald nice shot what another hooking call DAMN BRUNO. Nice save Stanford clear the rebound DAMN BRUNO hey we got scored on DAMN BRUNO. Nice WIN GUYS it was a team effort DAMN BRUNO..

[SaskHockeyFan]

Still waiting for someone to give an example of what Bruno has done to be called a good coach. I agree with you Wildeyes, I don't think the players deserve any more, I'll use the term power, than they already have. I am saying that Bruno should man up and bench a player when he does one of those things, that would show me he is on the right track. I would like to see him ignore the win and loss column for a bit and show some of the players who actually is the boss. I say when Bernie doesn't try hard, bench him. When MacDonald doesn't back check or any myriad of things that would p*ss of a coach, bench him. When our captain takes his whatever numbered penalty for banging his bloody stick on the ice or the boards, bench him. Have some balls and do something as a coach. That is exactly what I am saying. What has he done so far to show he is a good coach? Bernie is an anomaly because he can play like crap with no effort all game then turn on the interest and score you two goals ( he must be very frustrating to coach ) I am saying it is time for him to do something and quit complaining about the previous groups selections and coaching styles. Start making some moves on the ice and in the GM's office to show we are not looking at this for another 5 years. Do you know how long it takes to build through the draft alone? The players drafted this last spring will not be much of a factor for another two to three years.

I would have to disagree with you on the privilege part though but that is a minor thing of mine. These grown men and women in the front office and on the bench make a pretty good living on the hopes and dreams of these teenage boys. The privately owned teams owners make a decent return on their investment. The boys get paid very little in reality to how much they put in. Yes if they make the show they are paid very well but very very few of these guys will ever make a nickel at the game. I love junior hockey and gladly pay to see them play. That being said, I don't think the players are overly compensated for their efforts. Minor opinion of mine and a topic for another thread altogether.

[intheknow]

making all these trades to get picks and future stars is impossible when you already have a depleted roster. we have to get someone in return who can step in now, especially at forward. thanks to Obrien for not supplying enough guys that can play.

[SaskHockeyFan]

I would agree. But a few moves are surely possible. We have a couple of players on the roster that would be better off elsewhere to help with a playoff run. Look what the Blades did a couple of years ago to get Elliot. Now we don't have the luxury of trading within the family or a Setoguchi like player to trade but surely we could get some solid 18 year old forward for Bernhardt. I was so choked at Clark when he didn't trade Chipper. Trading Chipper away at the deadline would have been the perfect move for us to get a player we would be using today!

[westbeach55]

why do we need someone that can step in now, were not going anywhere this year. campese will trade some players at the deadline and get some younger players and some picks and continue rebuilding. there is not point in trading a draft pick or young player to get us help now

[Raiderfan8]

To be brutally honest my opinion might not mean much since I have only been to a hand full of games this year due to living out of town but I will give it to ya anyways.

I have to agree with Wild Eyes when he asks to give Bruno a bit more time. He has only been around a year and a half and I have seen a few good things begin to happen. I think he has started to shape this team for the future which is a great start. We have quite a young line up with a good looking future in our 16 and 17 year olds such as Herrod, Harrison, Button, Aasman and possibly McNeill. These are some building blocks to start with and it will be up to Bruno to develop them. ( Again this will take time ) I also think it took some guts for Bruno to send Penner home, twice due to a having a poor attitude. Good move for the team!

I see the one poster keeps asking the question , "What has he shown us to prove he is a good coach?" To be straight forward the on ice product has been the same this year as it was the last 4 years so he has shown us nothing on the ice. As far as off the ice goes, it might be better but I am in no position to say. Again though I point out he does need some more time.

I feel the trading dead line will be big for the Raiders and the future. Here are a few things that I think need to be changed to make us a better team. Tell me what you think!

1) Get rid of Zemlak! He has been a decent goalie all year but what a huge mistake in not making Sanford your starting goalie as an 18 year old.
2) You want your team to be disciplined on the ice............. get a tough guy. It will be the solution from your team taking bad penalties.
3) Ryan McDonald ,Bernhardt and Penner must go. I have known Ryan for years and he does carry an attitude with him . I think this has been one of the biggest problems through out the year. Bernhardt will most likely be in the top 5 in scoring come the trade dead line so he should be easy to move. Penner might be a good player to send to the west coast.

[SaskHockeyFan]

I agree Raiderfan8, MacDonald, Bernhardt and Penner must go. That being said, I am not sure you will get any return for MacDonald or Penner unfortunately. I would also run with Stanford and bring up one of the goalies in the system from here on out this year. Zemlak may net a pick in next years draft. With the tough guy role it is a toss up. A hard hitting, no nonsense forward who is willing to mix it up is great but he has to be able to take a regular shift. One thing I wouldn't want is a player like Reich from Saskatoon. Playing 4th line, as 20 year old, and not contributing a heck of a lot.

[intheknow]

why do we need someone that can step in now, were not going anywhere this year. campese will trade some players at the deadline and get some younger players and some picks and continue rebuilding. there is not point in trading a draft pick or young player to get us help now we would need players that can step in now so that you can still dress 12 forwards and 6 d for a game

[SaskHockeyFan]

We are for sure short bodies. Unless Bruno plans to bring some players up for the other leagues we won't be able to trade away anyone for picks. It will have to be for picks and roster players. It was in the plans recently to bring Penner back but I haven't heard about that for the last week or so so we will have to see.
Bruno has had a year as GM and head coach to put his stamp on the team and as Raiderfan8 said, the on ice product looks the same and I see the off ice hasn't changed a whole bunch. If an employee was brought into a job to clean things up and after a year ( a year and a half as head coach) nothing had changed, do you think they would still be on the payroll? Just wondering how long you think they will give him to turn things around? He should have canned O'brien immediately that they signed Ray Dudra. They are both on the payroll anyway so send O'brien packing and let Dudra take over. That is another move that would show Bruno has put some sort of stamp on this team. Other than the " town hall meeting " where no one really asks any pointed questions and where have they gone by the way? I was looking forward to them being a fixture. I thought that was one thing Bruno had done to add a little transperancy to the process.

[Dwight Schrute]

bringing in shane acorn has been a positive move by bruno. anholt didnt allow it. ask any of the kids what they think of him and his impact behind the scenes. ciolfi could have been brought back, and as far as the players being compensated moneywise.... well a university education is damn expensive and a pretty good return. trades like the thelen or may trade is what should happen at the deadline. mcdonald and bernie should go to a team looking at a run. the penner situation does need to be addressed. schlenker gave him huge praise after coaching his bantam team.

[SaskHockeyFan]

I too have heard good things about Shane and appreciate what he does. When they had the problems a month ago the players all had meetings with him.
The only problem with the university education plan is that not all players are going to take advantage. Yes, for the ones that do it is valuable, for those that don't it has no value. It is a great marketing device and recruitment tool but many players will never benefit from it. I realize it is their choice to not take advantage of it. The volunteers that the teams have do an excellent job of raising money to finance the players education funds. Many post high school graduates will never go to university but for the ones that do it is good.

[TwoBits]

Other than the " town hall meeting " where no one really asks any pointed questions and where have they gone by the way? I was looking forward to them being a fixture. I thought that was one thing Bruno had done to add a little transperancy to the process.

I listened to them the past 2 Mondays. Haven't they been on prior?

[SaskHockeyFan]

I haven't heard them but that could be just me listening at the wrong time. They may have been on all along and I just never caught it.

[Swamptown]

Coach-Gm Campese has done some things on the ice to better this team.

As of Dec 19th the Raiders PP and PK are ranked 10th overall. Being that we have only 2 players in the top 60 in points, I would say that this is remarkably good. Generally speaking, I would say the effort is their most nights. Yes, sometimes they do put a stinker on the ice like against the Rebels, but to get in the top 10 on the PK you have to be working hard. What's more important is that they rode the bus to Brandon and battled hard the next night for a tie. Our d-men also pinching-in alot more than in the past. Small steps, yes. But at least we are going forward.

Let's face it, the Raiders are lacking in some areas that can be linked to the past. Between drafting Chipchura and Aasman, what have we drafted in the first round? We had the 1st pick in '02 and dropped 3 spots to get Gauthier. In the following years: DePape, Palazzo, Trach, Penner, Aasman. Not so good considering only 1 of the group that could be playing, is playing. Also, we have to remember that the top ranked kids do have the option to not report to the teams that drafted them. Based on our past records, would you want to come play with the Raiders. I'm sure some players were passed over in the draft because the Raiders were told that they would not report.

The Raiders made a mistake a couple years ago by not dealing Chipchura, Byers and Sietsonen at the deadline. I think we also had Schlenker as a 20yr that year as well. We surely could have got some picks or young players in return.

I think for long term success, teams are built through the draft, and tweaked via trades. This will not truely be a Campese team until guy's drafted this past year are contributing as 17 or 18yr olds. Give the man some time.

[Wildeyes]

Amen Brother

[domino]

Heard a rumor today that PA and the Tigers are trying to make a deal for a dman,could Aasman be heading home

[Arthur Fonzerelli]

That would be an exceptionally compassionate thing to do for young Aasman. I'm sure these are very dificult times for him and his family. If this happens I will applaud these two organizations, too often the dub is just about the business of hockey. :thumb:

[SaskHockeyFan]

If they are contenders, why would they want Tendler? Deck or Rowley maybe. They may need a tough guy now that McCue is gone. Maybe Theissen will be headed that way but I doubt they would pay anything for him.
If they do happen to make a deal to send Ryan to Medicine Hat it would be a great move by both clubs in my eyes. I thought the benefit game for the Aasman family was a wonderful move by both clubs. Problem with trading Ryan is, he was a high draft pick and it would be a shame to lose him. He skates so well and would anchor our power play a couple years down the road.

[domino]

I just hope they start playing him he is just as good as some of the dmen we have right now,I know he is only 16 but when you dress him you should play him more than one shift a game.I see a fire sale coming so hopefully it will mean more ice time for some of our young guys.We should not have a 20yr old on our roster come Jan 11-2009

[WestLEAFfan]

Sorry, but I personally don't see what all the hype surrounding Aasman is all about. Button is the clear keeper in my mind.

[domino]

i fogot we can only have one good d man,they need to move out tendler and a few others and get some ice time for this kid before he decides like the rest of them to take his show somewhere else.I think it would be an easier sell for some of us fans if they said we are going a little younger and develop these kids but it seems to me like Bruno is afraid of losing his job and needs to grow some balls and tell the city and ownership how it is going to be then do it.

[bladesmemskychamps]

the big thing for PA is what to do with bernhardt at the deadline. i think bruno is in a tough position with him either put him on a contender where he is to for SURE make playoffs or keep him here and try to get into the playoffs and make a run..im not sure were he would go saskatoon looks like the best option but would bruno make a deal with us? this is a tough one anyone know what bernhardt wants to do? maybe he asked for a trade? let me know

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

If PA makes the playoffs, it's going to be an early exit at the hands of the Hitmen.

[Sabes]

I wonder if they don't make a move if they will call up a guy like Penner. Having 2 d-men on the wing on the 4th line just isn't working. Maybe if they were more physical.

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

I know everyone is going to say hes a cancer and all that stuff but we need him right now. Our 4th line is terrible. Theisen and Dotan have no clue what they are doing out there and to make things worse dont even finish there checks. Not saying its their fault either as its not their natural position. And if Penner isnt brought up I hope they go trade with the Blades to get Reich . Love him or hate him thats the kind of player we need and we already have it in our system with Penner.

Reich is 20, is he not?

[intheknow]

so you would trade Bernie or Macdonald for Reich. think about it!!! and what do we need a fourth line for anyways? Bruno doesn't use them much anyway as we just played 3 in 3 and they still hardly played.

[Dwight Schrute]

how bout toomey, chorneyko, 1st in 09(probably on of the last 5 picks in the draft)
for bernie and mcdonald

or chorneyko, toomey, 2nd +3rd
for bernie and mcdonald.
you guys think its decent value ?

also think there is any chance we could find a gritty 4th line wing who can hit and drop the mitts, maybe cant find one in the dub but im sure there is one in junior "a".... or even penner (although id like someone who wins more)

[GBG BLEED BLUE]

how bout toomey, chorneyko, 1st in 09(probably on of the last 5 picks in the draft)
for bernie and mcdonald

or chorneyko, toomey, 2nd +3rd
for bernie and mcdonald.
you guys think its decent value ?

also think there is any chance we could find a gritty 4th line wing who can hit and drop the mitts, maybe cant find one in the dub but im sure there is one in junior "a".... or even penner (although id like someone who wins more)
I honestly do not think that the Blades would try to pull the trigger on any of those deals. It would be nice if they did somehow manage to get Bernhardt though.

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

Trade Lamb, he won't be on this team nor in this league next season anyways. I think parting ways with Tendler is not such a bad idea considering we have a plethora of other defenseman capable of filling the void, not to mention prospects waiting in the wings.

[Dwight Schrute]

I honestly do not think that the Blades would try to pull the trigger on any of those deals. It would be nice if they did somehow manage to get Bernhardt though.
yeh who knows eh maybe for a 6th rounder ....

[Dwight Schrute]

Trade Lamb, he won't be on this team nor in this league next season anyways. I think parting ways with Tendler is not such a bad idea considering we have a plethora of other defenseman capable of filling the void, not to mention prospects waiting in the wings.
lamb a a real hard worker and solid defensively. he is real snakebitten and probably wont be back next year but he brings more then he would garner in a deal. and as far as tendler.....keep him there is no way thiessen and kozyra stay as OA's next year. ship out rowley kid is dangerous.... at both ends of the ice

[nthestands]

I'm glad non of you guys are in charge

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

I'm glad non of you guys are in charge

Couldn't be any worse than Clark

[nthestands]

Couldn't be any worse than Clark
If you tink that you are going to trade off are third and fourth liners, spare d men with high minus ratings and a decent backup goalie for impact players and draft picks. I dont know who your going to deal with, but you never get something for nothing. I think we stick with what we have, go into the playoffs with some momentum and let the cards fall where the may. We are only about 7 points from top it the division and if we do happen to just sneak in, we have beat the hitmen this year. We've proven that we can beat any team if we play to win. Why would bruno trade bern for draft picks when you guys would have him fired before he got to pick them. He's gotta show something now before it's too late. I got some old pucks for trouble mac and stuggling rob

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

If you tink that you are going to trade off are third and fourth liners, spare d men with high minus ratings and a decent backup goalie for impact players and draft picks. I dont know who your going to deal with, but you never get something for nothing. I think we stick with what we have, go into the playoffs with some momentum and let the cards fall where the may. We are only about 7 points from top it the division and if we do happen to just sneak in, we have beat the hitmen this year. We've proven that we can beat any team if we play to win. Why would bruno trade bern for draft picks when you guys would have him fired before he got to pick them. He's gotta show something now before it's too late. I got some old pucks for trouble mac and stuggling rob

Relax
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[raider guy]

purple monkey dishwasher ive never heard such useless info come from your mouth haha. its obvious u catch one game a month.. and for in the stands i think were at the point now where we we have to go with what we got dont trade the farm now were almost in the playoffs. bernie and mac are firing on all cylinders. both goalies are playing top notch. who cares if we ride two guys into the playoffs and through out. good luck raiders on the final stretch

[Purple_Monkey_Dishwasher]

purple monkey dishwasher ive never heard such useless info come from your mouth haha. its obvious u catch one game a month.. and for in the stands i think were at the point now where we we have to go with what we got dont trade the farm now were almost in the playoffs. bernie and mac are firing on all cylinders. both goalies are playing top notch. who cares if we ride two guys into the playoffs and through out. good luck raiders on the final stretch


I've missed 2 games since 1989, but whatever. I'm entitled to state my opinion on such matters regardless if you agree with it or not; hence the purpose of a message board.

[nthestands]

I've missed 2 games since 1989, but whatever. I'm entitled to state my opinion on such matters regardless if you agree with it or not; hence the purpose of a message board.
I agree that mac and rob are playing better as of late but that still doesnt mean you are going to get a lot for them as they are overagers with 30 to 40 games left in their careers.

[Wildeyes]

I think we should keep the players we have and make a push to the playoffs we are playing really good right now. lots of confidence with the boys right now i really dont have a problem with using dotan and thessien on the wings on the 4th line if they are willing to punish the opp with big hits.

lets hold fast and support the team.

[Wildeyes]

also think there is any chance we could find a gritty 4th line wing who can hit and drop the mitts, maybe cant find one in the dub but im sure there is one in junior "a".... or even penner (although id like someone who wins more)[/QUOTE]


If you are look for a gritty 4th liner to drop the mits
TONY OAK is second in SJ in PIMS LOL
He was on PA's 50 list

[SaskHockeyFan]

I believe Tony Oak was with Red Deer at the beginning of the year and quickly dropped.

[SectionNDeserter]

Tony Oak looked considerably smaller than what he was listed at on his SJHL team page, and he lost a fight in training camp to Esposito, who has been pretty much beaten by everyone in the league since the start of the season. I wouldn't be looking there...