Got the balls

[Razz]

Give credit to Yaworski. When PA was in the Hat last week getting taught a lesson in structure. This kid was the only one to step and try to spark his club. Not only once but twice and it didnt do any good. Does this team have any ................?

[Raider Believer]

Give credit to Yaworski. When PA was in the Hat last week getting taught a lesson in structure. This kid was the only one to step and try to spark his club. Not only once but twice and it didnt do any good. Does this team have any ................?

Yaworski is a character kid. :) An awesome pick up for PA. He's fitted in really well and is only going to get better and bigger. The team needs more guys like him. I'd like to see Harrison step up to the plate a little more often. What prospects do we have that like to rock n roll or lift the team with big hits? :groovy:

[sbtatter]

really? You want to see our 2nd round pick 16 year old fight more? hes had 3 fights in 22 games i dont think thats to bad. and its not like he hasent answered the bell. He has dropped them with Miller and Ferland and done well in all 3 fights. We dont need to create another Penner who all he cared about was fighting.

Who dropped the mitts with Miller and Ferland 3 times? Hrynyk has fought Ferland twice and lost both of them, willing combatant though.....

[sbtatter]

sorry I meant Ruopp has 3 fights in 22 games. 1 with Miller , 1 with Ferland and 1 with Hrinca. All 3 of our young defencemen seem to like dropping the gloves. (Hrynyk, Yaworski, Ruopp)

He looks pretty good in the fisticuffs department. Hows his overall play been?
A close loss to Ferland
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/88312
A close win against Miller
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/91421

[Raider Believer]

:laugh:
really? You want to see our 2nd round pick 16 year old fight more? hes had 3 fights in 22 games i dont think thats to bad. and its not like he hasent answered the bell. He has dropped them with Miller and Ferland and done well in all 3 fights. We dont need to create another Penner who all he cared about was fighting.

:laugh: I meant Ryan Harrison. Sorry for not being clear.

[In The Crease]

It is not the raiders are tough enough, Harrison in particular. Nor is it they do not get enough shots on goal. It's that time of year. Happens every year from what I can read of the past few years. Hate to speculate. Cannot seem to finish offensively when the crunch time of the last 15 or so games come down.
Wish I had been to the last game. Must take a look at what drives Swift, Red Deer and even Moose Jaw. Sure a lot of head scratching, I'm sure.

[Chipchura_Fan]

the key players were pretty bad last night. Hickmott and Macullum played awful. Like a wise man said he thinks that Hickmott may think hes playing womens hockey and he can only play the puck. Last nite Bruno had awful line combinations including defence pairings. He also wouldnt take Hickmott off the point on the power play and it cost them.We also were commenting on Zemlaks shot count. When Zemlak had already let in two goals they had 8 shots registered and there was no way he made 6 saves already. When Zemlak finally got pulled he had let in 4 goals on "15" shots . Everyone around where we sit could see Zemlak wasent going to stop anything unless it hit him in the crest and he should have been pulled after 2 goals and I have trouble believing Bruno couldnt see the same thing. Bruno needs to be less loyal to his vets and give the players that are playing well the ice time. Bruno should be embarassed with the amount that Hrynyk and Ruopp played ( especially Ruopp) who played 2 shifts all game

totally agree with you! Looked like a road game last night for sure. Rowley also had a horrible game.. seemed every time he got off the ice he was slamming his stick on the boards or the ice.

Nothing was clicking last night and your right, the guys playing well should be getting the ice time, Bruno is totally overplaying the vets even when nothing is clicking...

[tuffguy]

Wow.....congratulations......welcome to the club. I have been saying there is a lack of development since day 1. Good to see after over 2 1/2 years of this guy coaching you see he plays the vets no matter what over the rooks. Doesn't matter the score, the situation anything. They have suffered all along. This isn't just last game. Our development is brutal. Our players want out. (Walk or ask for trades.)

[Wildeyes]

The lines where brutal last night why split up Herrod and McCullum they play great together
Herle has a good game last night and i think he sat for the 3rd period.

I dont think the Bruno will get renewed for next season. Welcome PA's next coach and GM Steve Young

[Dwight Schrute]

steve young did quite well in moose jaw

[Dwight Schrute]

I'm also hoping for Young. I do think Bruno did get some good things going as a GM but I really think Young could do the job better

one guy shouldnt be both.

[Raider Believer]

:eek: How critical is that game on Sunday against Swift Current? Or is Moose Jaw the team to target? :confused:

[Dwight Schrute]

:eek: How critical is that game on Sunday against Swift Current? Or is Moose Jaw the team to target? :confused:

i might show up tothe game against swift current..... hopefully the raiders do

[Sabes]

Wish Hickmott had some balls. Kid is playing so soft like it's women's hockey. Never takes the body.

[Dwight Schrute]

I find it funny that the Raider website has a big write up about how dynamic Herrod and Macallum are together the day after Bruno splits them up and the team stinks out the Hauser lets hope he doesnt make the same mistake again.

http://www.raiderhockey.com/news/releases/index.html?article_id=659

love how that article talks about how epic that game was..... it was a battle for 8th place. and how it says the raiders havent seen the playoffs since spring of 05..... well spring of 07 they were there too.

[TinCupJoe]

steve young did quite well in moose jaw

How long was Steve young coach in MJ?

[Dwight Schrute]

How long was Steve young coach in MJ?

3 years i think

[SaskHockeyFan]

Just want to bring up a comment I made back on 11-17-2008. I felt it was valid then and still do today. Many long term guys on this site jumped all over me for months for my position but I still think it's valid. It is also interesting to see some of the comments I've made over the years in other threads and see how it all turned out and where they are now.

This was a thread started about Andy Smith being player of the week right after being traded to Chilliwack.

"Yes you are correct, PA is in big trouble next year. Bruno is way over his head being coach and GM. His first job as GM right now should be to fire the coach.(and no it's not because they have lost the last two games). Very few guys can be coach and GM in this league and how the Raiders brass figured Bruno Campese, with very little WHL experience behind him, could take over the role as GM as well as head coach is beyond me. He should let Young and Bedard do the coaching and stay away from the dressing room and bench"

[Razz]

sorry I meant Ruopp has 3 fights in 22 games. 1 with Miller , 1 with Ferland and 1 with Hrinca. All 3 of our young defencemen seem to like dropping the gloves. (Hrynyk, Yaworski, Ruopp)
Well if they don't drop the gloves then they ride the pine. Button's game was 10 times better last season. He has suffered from something. My guess would be proper bench guidance, b/c what else would it be?

[EOK1]

Well if they don't drop the gloves then they ride the pine. Button's game was 10 times better last season. He has suffered from something. My guess would be proper bench guidance, b/c what else would it be?

Either he fell victim to the "perform outstandingly during draft year" motif, or the Boston Bruins have told him to do something different with his game. I went to school with Button (when he was in Edmonton) and yeah, his game is different.

[SaskHockeyFan]

I think Button is sandbagging it so the season ends early. That way he can get called up to the Bruins for the rest of the season. Wait, does any one else see how far fetched that statement is. Button was drafted because of his fancy skating skills. No one has ever accused him of having much hockey sense. As a 17 year old it's quite easy because there is no real pressure on you. Now at 18 the pressure increases and you are held more accountable for the mistakes and decisions you make during the game. It looks to me like he just doesn't care some nights. He makes a pass up the ice then skates leisurely to the bench for a change. Me thinks he is isn't as good as he thinks he is.

[XCHEKR]

The same thing happens to pretty much all players after going to NHL camps!!! I've noticed this time and time again! All we have to do is look back to see that. (It's no wonder the coaches want them to concentrate ONLY about the game they are playing, when there are scouts sitting in the stands!)
RAZZ....why the issues with Bruno?!?!? It would be great to hear something about the team instead of Bruno this....Bruno that!

[SaskHockeyFan]

XCHEKR, I would agree, the hangover from going to the NHL camps is obvious to me as well. Problem with Button is I still don't think he is as good as he thinks he is. It is Craig working with the D-men usually so maybe some of the blame falls there not Bruno. Not a Bruno fan but he can't be the reason for all of the problems.....can he? Bruno does seem to micromanage everybody so ultimately he is responsible for the success or failure.

[Raider Believer]

PA Herald & PA Website are announcing that Winther will be called up shortly.

[Raider Believer]

hope he gets to play. and i hope its at home

The team is fighting for its playoff life. I am guessing that there will be no call-ups. Bruno should have looked at the lack of production in the middle of his order back in early January, made some cuts and permanent call-ups then. What's that old expression .....?? :deadhorse:

[Razz]

really? You want to see our 2nd round pick 16 year old fight more? hes had 3 fights in 22 games i dont think thats to bad. and its not like he hasent answered the bell. He has dropped them with Miller and Ferland and done well in all 3 fights. We dont need to create another Penner who all he cared about was fighting.
You know a lot about players don't you. Older players are supposed to lead by example, but they still need guidance which comes from behind the bench. What makes you think & say all Penner wanted to do was fight? There are ways to deal with all scenarios. Penner was a very very talented & tough player and any successful coach would know how to psychologically deal with ones who step out of line. I speak from past experience. Did he step out of line? Maybe the kid had the balls to stand up for everyone including himself against whom ever b/c they might have been treated like trash. Just b/c management let him rot doesn't make them look to good by getting nothing in return. But it really does fool dimwits like yourself that a player is a headcase, when in fact he's not. Maybe look further into the whole picture and see whats happening around it before mouthing. For example players quitting, great trades for Kozyra, Penner,Stanford etc and what they got in return. How long is the list? If you can't handle something you rectify the problem, don't hold out so it effects everyone. Oh two more things. Why arrrrrre the 91's not living up to par? Think about the whole scenario before you carve 16-20 year olds who need guidance. And lastly, Damn I can't say it here but I could on the ice or the back alley.

[Raider Believer]

Razz quote: "And lastly, Damn I can't say it here but I could on the ice or the back alley."

I understand your frustration Razz. And I'm guessing that the above quote has something to do with recreational mobility :)

Sometimes certain players and certain teams just are not a good fit. PA is not the only team to move players on, it happens all the time i.e. Gogol from Kelowna to Saskatoon this season.

The team and fans need to move on. Next season will see a bunch of youngsters suit up for the Raiders. Hopefully they work out better than Penner & Asmann. And if not, there is always another opinion, another second guesser and another player ..... the Raiders will play on. Its not like Penner ripped up the hockey world after leaving PA.
I'm just new to this board, nothing near the experience or expertise of Razz or toughguy. I'm sure they are very cognizant of what assets the PA team has, what futures there might be. Perhaps they can collaborate on this board and tell us what the team might look like next year.

[tuffguy]

Who is the coach and GM? How many players demand trades shortlyafter the season ends.

[XCHEKR]

JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! These fellas are not interested in the Raider team whatsoever! They use this board to spew about Campese entirely!

[Razz]

And some of you guys wonder why you can't put butts in the seats. The Raiders play like crap,unstructured especially for this level. If Zemlak wasn't here this season where would they be? Hope they turn it around, but I didn't see much in overall player improvement.

[Chipchura_Fan]

The last part of this season sucked... Since Zemlak got hurt, he just hasn't been the same goalie. Just goes to show how important he was to our team this season and if it wasn't for him, there wouldn't have even been a playoff push this year. Hopefully the boys play a heck of a game tomorrow night and hopefully there will be some butts in the seats to send off the boys. This season was more successful than anyone predicted it would be.

[westbeach55]

attendance has been down throughout the league





And some of you guys wonder why you can't put butts in the seats. The Raiders play like crap,unstructured especially for this level. If Zemlak wasn't here this season where would they be? Hope they turn it around, but I didn't see much in overall player improvement.

[Raiders in 6]

Going into the season, I wasn't hopeful that the team was going to make the playoffs. We were losing Bernhardt and McDonald and had some concern about scoring goals.
The team's back end was going to be its strength. Zemlak is a strong WHL goalie. Deck, Rowley and Button to lead the Defence.
I thought: there are only two ways to go: trade Cameron, Zemlak and Revenko and BUILD towards something in a year or two OR trade to get pieces and get to the playoffs.
I dont know but it seems as though the GM might have been told by the Board OR he told the board he would do the latter and GET into the playoffs this year. We definitely brought in some players with experience to get into the playoffs.
One thing I am tired of hearing from fans around town is that "everybody pegged us for last place in the league, so we did better than expected". I hate hearing that. We knew we were better than that and went out and got players like McCallum (good trade), Warg (okay acquisition), Parker (not good),Wall in order to get to the playoffs.
The Raiders seemed to be destined for a playoff spot, when the wheels fell off, again. Same as last year.
So, what happened? We have some good young players coming up: Mcneill, Winter etc and instead of selling to build for those gus, we traded for rentals like Warg and went from 6th in the conference to 9th place, again.
I want to see a winner like anytbody, but we kind of went for a playoff spot this year and it didnt happen. And we didnt get better for next year.
The Board of Directors need to be held to account for this.

[WestLEAFfan]

According to Dale McPhee's interview during last night's first and second intermissions, he basically implied everyone's job is safe and that Coach/GM Campese brings stability. People/fans need to be "patient"! He said he saw lots of improvement, but in the same breath also said that losing is not an option? Read into that as you wish.

[Dwight Schrute]

According to Dale McPhee's interview during last night's first and second intermissions, he basically implied everyone's job is safe and that Coach/GM Campese brings stability. People/fans need to be "patient"! He said he saw lots of improvement, but in the same breath also said that losing is not an option? Read into that as you wish.

i see it as ....... they cant think of any guy whos better that wants to be there

[tuffguy]

4 W and 13 L since Feb 1. The trades Bruno made this year are busts, almost to a fault. Couple trades are ok. This team was in 4th/ 5th in Conf in Nov. A playoff team at the deadline. In late Jan there were 7 players in the top 71 for league scoring. The talent here was not the question. Team just faded. No identity. Guy can't coach, and his trades this year have been brutal. You guys can blame it on whatever you want. There is one person ultimately responsible for what transpired. How was the team so good early on and fell apart (after adding pieces to supposedly make it better). The coach and the GM are at fault here. You can't have your cake and eat it too. " Now its the players fault?" The same group who you couldn't say enough good things about them earlier in year.

This teams defense should have been:

Voracek Deck
Button Rowley
Tendler Aasman
Ruopp

Instead it got blown up because of players leaving or getting traded. Who in the conference has a better defense than that? Could you imagine how good Calgary or Brandon would have been if they had that defense?

Home and Road record starkly contrast eachother. Explain that. Young players aren't getting played, aren't developing. McNeill gets no special teams ice, and gets benched for same mistakes our vets make. Ruopp is best young dman here in years, and has to watch Hrynyk and Yaworski playfrom the stands?? How is this guy not an every day player getting 15 min a night? Button looks frustrated beyond belief. I wonder why??

Everyone is happy because the guys are in shape?? Off ice issues are better?? Wow. Players are in shape. Every teams players are in shape. Big deal. This guy is doing what every other team in the league is doing. Our guys still go to the casino. The bars are quieter than in the past, but they just do their drinking, and quite a bit of it for that matter in low key places--billet homes, girlfriends houses, ice fishing. Casino and a little drinking is tolerable if the team is producing. The problems here aren't fixed, they are masked. There will be players who want out if this management / coaching group returns. Mark my words.

The way the team plays and practises night in night out is and should be the focus. How does Red Deer finish ahead of the Raiders with their depth? Kootenay unloads last year and plays better til the end of the year and into this year, all the while adding pieces for the future. How does MJ finish so badly last year and finish ahead of us this year. (Keep in mind the Raiders were the 3rd youngest team in the league last year and are now the 3rd oldest) How does SC finish ahead of last year, graduate more than the Raiders do, and finish ahead again this year. Lethbridge ran themselves into the ground, and after a few key moves this year and with superior coaching, will leap frog the Raiders if not next year, the year after.

I'm to the point that I hope the board re-news this guy. Coach, GM, or both. Then the Board has to be held accountable. They were stuck with this guy with the departure of Donn Clark. Understandable. The Board gave him the extension. Questionable decision at best. Now if they give him another one, it is all on the board. I won't even question Campese (I probably will because I think he is pretty much incompetent), what he does or how he does it. I will primarily question the board.

I've said it before, and never get an answer. Who has a lesser coach and GM in the Conference or the league for that matter?

McFee says he is happy with the improvement, but not the result. Well guess what you are in the results driven industry. This team hasn't rebuildt in 10 years. Sold off a piece here or there, but for the most part just nickel and dimed themselves to death in the name of being mediocre. I know of one former Raider employee who screamed for a rebuild a couple of times and it ultimately got him shown the door.

I will bet the Board has never asked anyone outside of the board room about the Raiders and what should be done. McFee quoted a Chicago scout a few years ago about their turn around. Funny he asked a scout from a team that had been a losing organization for the better part of a dozen years, and asks him when they had their first winning season. Ask someone who is a perennial winner in Junior hockey. Junior and the NHL are too different to get the answers needed. Ask the players in confidence what they think of the coach. That should be the GM's job, but a coach GM can't do it so the Board in some shape or form has to. The exodus of players quitting or asking for trades should be enough. It speaks volumes. Most won't say boo for fear of being black balled. There is a right way to approach these things. The guy at the top is Police Chief for the love of god, can't he figure out how to get the info pertinent as what what is going on and how it should be fixed.

The Board has not gone through the interview process of hiring a GM in over 10 years. Rick Vallette hand delivered the job to Clark. Clark hand delivered it to Campese. Not once did the board open the job up to the public and do a right and thorough search. Why would they not do that? Because they are afraid to lose a guy that wasn't ready for either position in the first place let alone both, and hasn't really taken a step forward in either position?

My message to the Board is to go through the process of hiring a right and proper GM this summer and let him handle the rest of the hiring. The way this team is drawing it may be the last meaningful hire the board has a chance to make.

The media in PA should be ashamed of themselves as well. Their stories on the Raiders are mamby pamby. When have they ever analysed what is going on there. When have they ever questioned the coaching, the GM, the scouting, the board. Grow some balls and do a little poking and prodding. You think the Raiders will shut you out if you do something truthful? They need you more than you need them. They are the ones who are losing $$ for what will be the 3rd year in a row. Interesting, ever since Campese took over.

If the board doesn't go through the process, they can all step down as far as I am concerned.

[lordstanley]

Why does Campese not call up any of your prospects for the last weekend the Blades played alot of there prospects last night Dietz Vandane Bews and Sutter

[XCHEKR]

4 W and 13 L since Feb 1. The trades Bruno made this year are busts, almost to a fault. Couple trades are ok. This team was in 4th/ 5th in Conf in Nov. A playoff team at the deadline. In late Jan there were 7 players in the top 71 for league scoring. The talent here was not the question. Team just faded. No identity. Guy can't coach, and his trades this year have been brutal. You guys can blame it on whatever you want. There is one person ultimately responsible for what transpired. How was the team so good early on and fell apart (after adding pieces to supposedly make it better). The coach and the GM are at fault here. You can't have your cake and eat it too. " Now its the players fault?" The same group who you couldn't say enough good things about them earlier in year.

This teams defense should have been:

Voracek Deck
Button Rowley
Tendler Aasman
Ruopp

Instead it got blown up because of players leaving or getting traded. Who in the conference has a better defense than that? Could you imagine how good Calgary or Brandon would have been if they had that defense?

Home and Road record starkly contrast eachother. Explain that. Young players aren't getting played, aren't developing. McNeill gets no special teams ice, and gets benched for same mistakes our vets make. Ruopp is best young dman here in years, and has to watch Hrynyk and Yaworski playfrom the stands?? How is this guy not an every day player getting 15 min a night? Button looks frustrated beyond belief. I wonder why??

Everyone is happy because the guys are in shape?? Off ice issues are better?? Wow. Players are in shape. Every teams players are in shape. Big deal. This guy is doing what every other team in the league is doing. Our guys still go to the casino. The bars are quieter than in the past, but they just do their drinking, and quite a bit of it for that matter in low key places--billet homes, girlfriends houses, ice fishing. Casino and a little drinking is tolerable if the team is producing. The problems here aren't fixed, they are masked. There will be players who want out if this management / coaching group returns. Mark my words.

The way the team plays and practises night in night out is and should be the focus. How does Red Deer finish ahead of the Raiders with their depth? Kootenay unloads last year and plays better til the end of the year and into this year, all the while adding pieces for the future. How does MJ finish so badly last year and finish ahead of us this year. (Keep in mind the Raiders were the 3rd youngest team in the league last year and are now the 3rd oldest) How does SC finish ahead of last year, graduate more than the Raiders do, and finish ahead again this year. Lethbridge ran themselves into the ground, and after a few key moves this year and with superior coaching, will leap frog the Raiders if not next year, the year after.

I'm to the point that I hope the board re-news this guy. Coach, GM, or both. Then the Board has to be held accountable. They were stuck with this guy with the departure of Donn Clark. Understandable. The Board gave him the extension. Questionable decision at best. Now if they give him another one, it is all on the board. I won't even question Campese (I probably will because I think he is pretty much incompetent), what he does or how he does it. I will primarily question the board.

I've said it before, and never get an answer. Who has a lesser coach and GM in the Conference or the league for that matter?

McFee says he is happy with the improvement, but not the result. Well guess what you are in the results driven industry. This team hasn't rebuildt in 10 years. Sold off a piece here or there, but for the most part just nickel and dimed themselves to death in the name of being mediocre. I know of one former Raider employee who screamed for a rebuild a couple of times and it ultimately got him shown the door.

I will bet the Board has never asked anyone outside of the board room about the Raiders and what should be done. McFee quoted a Chicago scout a few years ago about their turn around. Funny he asked a scout from a team that had been a losing organization for the better part of a dozen years, and asks him when they had their first winning season. Ask someone who is a perennial winner in Junior hockey. Junior and the NHL are too different to get the answers needed. Ask the players in confidence what they think of the coach. That should be the GM's job, but a coach GM can't do it so the Board in some shape or form has to. The exodus of players quitting or asking for trades should be enough. It speaks volumes. Most won't say boo for fear of being black balled. There is a right way to approach these things. The guy at the top is Police Chief for the love of god, can't he figure out how to get the info pertinent as what what is going on and how it should be fixed.

The Board has not gone through the interview process of hiring a GM in over 10 years. Rick Vallette hand delivered the job to Clark. Clark hand delivered it to Campese. Not once did the board open the job up to the public and do a right and thorough search. Why would they not do that? Because they are afraid to lose a guy that wasn't ready for either position in the first place let alone both, and hasn't really taken a step forward in either position?

My message to the Board is to go through the process of hiring a right and proper GM this summer and let him handle the rest of the hiring. The way this team is drawing it may be the last meaningful hire the board has a chance to make.

The media in PA should be ashamed of themselves as well. Their stories on the Raiders are mamby pamby. When have they ever analysed what is going on there. When have they ever questioned the coaching, the GM, the scouting, the board. Grow some balls and do a little poking and prodding. You think the Raiders will shut you out if you do something truthful? They need you more than you need them. They are the ones who are losing $$ for what will be the 3rd year in a row. Interesting, ever since Campese took over.

If the board doesn't go through the process, they can all step down as far as I am concerned.

JEEZ!!! WHERE HAVE WE HEARD ALL THIS BEFORE?!?!? Those exact words came from Gord from Alta.!!!! And I bet you think we should go back to the previous coach?!?!?!

[tuffguy]

Who is Gord from Alta?

XCECKER, why don't you say something that refutes what I said? Or that agrees with it. (Ya right)

What part of my post, which I spent 15 min typing up do you not concur with, or which part is an untruth? Where in my post of 8 or 10 paragraphs do you disagree?

If you disagree, fine. But tell me why you disagree. What should be done in your opinion? Don't give me we have heard this before, because you haven't.

And no, I don't think Pete Anholt should be back. His record speaks for itself. Every where he went he started out pretty good and slowly regressed every year. Way better bench boss than Campese, but eventually loses interest of his players. By the time the young guys are the old guys they tune him out.

I think my previous post says most of what I have to say. No need to hear from me again for a while, unless someone says something particularily clever. Agree or not, that is fine, but if you don't, say why. Or if you concur say so. But don't accuse me of being "Gord" and Geez, and golly.

[westbeach55]

voracek left to be with his mom dying at cancer and you are blaming campese your full of it. yeah it would have been nice to have him on our defence but sometimes things dont work out. that had nothing to do with campese he would have left under any gm and maybe you shouldnt include his name on your so called should have had list. as far as assman is going he's not lighting it up in seattle only time will tell on this deal. its funny how you rant on and on about the hiring process it was open to the public and there were others that applied for the posistion. you have way to personal stuff wrapped in this" i knew a guy who got let go from the raiders " is he working else where in the league right now

[Dwight Schrute]

voracek shouldnt be included but there are definatly some who should. these past 3 seasons have seemed less gritty and less physical each year. why ? it is like watching midget play

[westbeach55]

have to agree with you 100% need to get more gritty and physical

[westbeach55]

looking forward to tonights game was just in renewing my 2 season tickets for next season and they said it was close to sell out tonight. I think we need to settle down and give campeses one more year and go from there. where are we going to get the cash to hire a coach/gm right now. lets be honest lots of ppl like to ***** and complain but there not the ones paying money to watch the games (in saying that i know some raider fans live in different town and citys and cant make the games but there are lots that live right in pa) tuff guy just wondering what you think about the situation in regina has to be alot worse then the one here in pa.

[XCHEKR]

looking forward to tonights game was just in renewing my 2 season tickets for next season and they said it was close to sell out tonight. I think we need to settle down and give campeses one more year and go from there. where are we going to get the cash to hire a coach/gm right now. lets be honest lots of ppl like to ***** and complain but there not the ones paying money to watch the games (in saying that i know some raider fans live in different town and citys and cant make the games but there are lots that live right in pa) tuff guy just wondering what you think about the situation in regina has to be alot worse then the one here in pa.

tuff guy or razz , they don't have a comment about regina...their interest is only in the Raiders!!! Or shall I say Campese! I wonder if they will have their butts or "butt" in seats tonight for the game in P.A.>>>>>they are sounding like the same person!

[lordstanley]

I don't get how campese doesn't bring up any of there prospects i mean what do they have to lose i know you can all expect a very very young blades group tonight out of the Blades lineup Zahn Niemi Klassen Hamilton Patterson Dziurzynski

[bigjimmer]

Toghguy = O'brien......

A scout who should have been canned a long time ago and is still bitter and will never be hired by another WHL team. Good to hear you're doing well O'brien/tough guy!
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[XCHEKR]

Toghguy = O'brien......

A scout who should have been canned a long time ago and is still bitter and will never be hired by another WHL team. Good to hear you're doing well O'brien/tough guy!

ALRIGHT!!! tuffguy = O'brien
razz = gord from alta. > "all you have to do is read his
comments on the Prince Albert
Herald website"
razz, you must learn to change your
wording if you think you can fool
anyone!?!?! SAME OLD, SAME OLD!!

[westbeach55]

would like to wish Garrett Zemlak my best wishes when he goes up to the rangers farm team the charlotte checkers

[Raider Believer]

ALRIGHT!!! tuffguy = O'brien
razz = gord from alta. > "all you have to do is read his
comments on the Prince Albert
Herald website"
razz, you must learn to change your
wording if you think you can fool
anyone!?!?! SAME OLD, SAME OLD!!

Even if tuffguy is O'brien and razz whoever, I doubt that PA team officials or Campese even visit this site or care about what a few fans are saying on this blog. To be honest, whatever Campese's faults are, and there is no perfect GM, there is no way he is as incompetant as O'brien was. It was clear even to the casual observer that O'brien didn't know what he was doing or looking at.

[Dwight Schrute]

Even if tuffguy is O'brien and razz whoever, I doubt that PA team officials or Campese even visit this site or care about what a few fans are saying on this blog. To be honest, whatever Campese's faults are, and there is no perfect GM, there is no way he is as incompetant as O'brien was. It was clear even to the casual observer that O'brien didn't know what he was doing or looking at.

personally i believe obrian wasnt too bad. may in round 7, shaefer in 9th, reggie/archie as listed guys.
the 88-90's (2003-2006) were drafted when the rules were changing some like gauthier eventually worked out but some like palazzo didnt. after obrian picks the guys its up to the coach to develop them. it was a combo or both. and now anholt and obrian are both gone.
time to move on

[Razz]

I don't think this team did as well as they should have.


The last part of this season sucked... Since Zemlak got hurt, he just hasn't been the same goalie. Just goes to show how important he was to our team this season and if it wasn't for him, there wouldn't have even been a playoff push this year. Hopefully the boys play a heck of a game tomorrow night and hopefully there will be some butts in the seats to send off the boys. This season was more successful than anyone predicted it would be.

[Razz]

Lmao! You can have all the talent in the world. But if you don't know how to teach it to become better then you won't have success. I'm sorry if I offend you, but PA looked like crap this year and it wasn't from a lack of talent or competeness except for a few aquired trades. For this level of hockey they were a joke to watch.




Even if tuffguy is O'brien and razz whoever, I doubt that PA team officials or Campese even visit this site or care about what a few fans are saying on this blog. To be honest, whatever Campese's faults are, and there is no perfect GM, there is no way he is as incompetant as O'brien was. It was clear even to the casual observer that O'brien didn't know what he was doing or looking at.

[XCHEKR]

Lmao! You can have all the talent in the world. But if you don't know how to teach it to become better then you won't have success. I'm sorry if I offend you, but PA looked like crap this year and it wasn't from a lack of talent or competeness except for a few aquired trades. For this level of hockey they were a joke to watch.

RAZZZZ....LET IT GO!!! MOVE ON!!! YOUR HATRED FOR CAMPESE IS GETTING OLD ALREADY!!!
BEST WISHES TO THE FELLAS THAT ARE MOVING ON AND FOR THE REST OF THE TEAM .... WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK IN THE FALL!!!

[Raider Believer]

RAZZZZ....LET IT GO!!! MOVE ON!!! YOUR HATRED FOR CAMPESE IS GETTING OLD ALREADY!!!
BEST WISHES TO THE FELLAS THAT ARE MOVING ON AND FOR THE REST OF THE TEAM .... WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK IN THE FALL!!!

Totally right! Lurkers and those with personal agendas to repeatedly attack and defame members of the Prince Albert Raiders organization should be banned from this board. Expressing an opinion once or twice, fine; but to contaminate the board is out of line. Please take note that the address to this board is www.whlFANS.ca Which means fans not bitter ex employees or players. From the little I've seen of toughguy's and razz's comments, they probably have more in common with the pucks at the bottom of urinals than actual hockey pucks... pathetic. They need to move on ..... and let the real PA fans enjoy this board.

[Raider Believer]

For the record. I am contacting the moderators of this forum to petition that certain 'members' have their privileges suspended from writing on this forum. Critical analysis is one thing. Continued vengeful defamatory comments are something else. Maybe one solution would be to publish the IP addresses of the members who insist on being anything but Raider fans. Because this forum afterall is for and about the RAIDER team and its fans.

[XCHEKR]

For the record. I am contacting the moderators of this forum to petition that certain 'members' have their privileges suspended from writing on this forum. Critical analysis is one thing. Continued vengeful defamatory comments are something else. Maybe one solution would be to publish the IP addresses of the members who insist on being anything but Raider fans. Because this forum afterall is for and about the RAIDER team and its fans.

I am sure the Raider hockey fans will appreciate that! THANKYOU! It will be refreshing to read the comments by actual fans....whether we agree with one another or not.

IT IS...interesting to listen to comments and ideas coming from everyone as long as there is no personal agenda and the wish is for this team to succeed!!!

[Raider Believer]

I am sure the Raider hockey fans will appreciate that! THANKYOU! It will be refreshing to read the comments by actual fans....whether we agree with one another or not.

IT IS...interesting to listen to comments and ideas coming from everyone as long as there is no personal agenda and the wish is for this team to succeed!!!

Thanks XCHEKR. Please relay your sentiments to sabes and raiderfan15 in a private message to each. It might take more than one or two of us to effect some action.

[SaskHockeyFan]

Raider Believer, you have been a member posting here for what, a month and a half? Chill out, it is a hockey message board. Ignore the stuff that bothers you and move on. Razz ( under other names ) has been here for almost three years.
Do you really think Dave O'brien cares enough to come onto a fan message board to poke at Bruno. For the record, and if you are keeping notes on each member, I don't think Bruno is a good coach for this team either. I am a fan of the Raiders but not their present coach. That doesn't make me a bad fan.

[Raider Believer]

Raider Believer, you have been a member posting here for what, a month and a half? Chill out, it is a hockey message board. Ignore the stuff that bothers you and move on. Razz ( under other names ) has been here for almost three years.
Do you really think Dave O'brien cares enough to come onto a fan message board to poke at Bruno. For the record, and if you are keeping notes on each member, I don't think Bruno is a good coach for this team either. I am a fan of the Raiders but not their present coach. That doesn't make me a bad fan.

How long I've been a member for is irrelevent. The hockey message board is for fans not a vehicle to defame and slander individuals and have very little else to say. Bruno and coaches and players in general will garner support and criticism, its to be expected. IMO, what isn't to be expected is the constant hijacking of threads with the same negative assault on the same individual. And in no way am I sugggesting that because you don't like Bruno as a coach it makes you a bad fan. At the end of the day, we'll let the moderators and administrators of the site make the judgements and decisions on this matter.

[SaskHockeyFan]

How long you have been a member is totally relevant. If you had been a member longer, you would have seen that crap like that goes on all of the time. That and worse. People on message boards and forums don't "play nice". WHLFANS is one of the "nicer" message boards. Threads rarely get out of hand. The question I would have is why do you care so much that Razz or someone else has negative things to say? Was this just such an awesome year for the Raiders that what he says is so irrationally wrong that no one should be thinking that way? Razz obviously has a connection to Medicine Hat as seen by the constant Penner and Aasman posts. Stay away from those topics and Razz will stay away. My guess is over the summer he will disappear from the Raiders forum and be on the Seattle and AJHL forums. That or firing Campese as coach would have the same effect.

[XCHEKR]

How long you have been a member is totally relevant. If you had been a member longer, you would have seen that crap like that goes on all of the time. That and worse. People on message boards and forums don't "play nice". WHLFANS is one of the "nicer" message boards. Threads rarely get out of hand. The question I would have is why do you care so much that Razz or someone else has negative things to say? Was this just such an awesome year for the Raiders that what he says is so irrationally wrong that no one should be thinking that way? Razz obviously has a connection to Medicine Hat as seen by the constant Penner and Aasman posts. Stay away from those topics and Razz will stay away. My guess is over the summer he will disappear from the Raiders forum and be on the Seattle and AJHL forums. That or firing Campese as coach would have the same effect.

NO ONE has the right to slander ANYONE the way these two have been doing....sitting behind a computer for this purpose is unacceptable. As I have stated previously, comments positive or negative...GREAT!!! These characters posting are absolutely NOT doing that!
It is ONLY about Campese and their own agenda>>> now LETS GROW UP & MOVE ON!!! Maybe to something about the team in general?!?!?!

[SaskHockeyFan]

What about the team would you like to talk about?

3 years in a row not making the playoffs
team we are told is losing money
players wanting out
fans not wanting in

Some of us who have been around a while are getting tired of every year talking about the bantam draft and prospects while most others in the league are talking playoffs! Do you want to fantasize about line pairings for next year? Will Button come back from Boston? Who the goalies will be? Who should the Raiders draft? I'm getting tired of it. I want some talk about playoffs for a change. If some of us think that getting rid of Campese as coach will get the Raiders into the playoffs then so be it. It's not the first time fans have not liked a coach and it won't be the last. It's just that the internet has made a great way to ***** while being anonymous. If everyone had their name attached to the posts this would be exactly the boring place you are looking for.

[Joe Hallenback]

I don't know if most of you remember but the mid 80s/early 90s Wheat Kings teams were a disgrace. I think KM bought the Wheat Kings in 1990 or 91 and took over as coach. Left with nothing and no prospects it was a couple of hard years but he got Brandon's house in order and brought in Bobby lowes and since then Brandon has made the playoffs 18 of 19 years.

I think knowing your franchise and its place in the league is important. Knowing what players to draft such as local kids especially in the later rounds has been a key factor for not just Brandon's survival but its prosperity.

PA for being a "small market" team like Brandon does not seem to want to exploit its region. You have one of the most successful Midget teams in the country but it seems few players come from this team. Brandon always seems to grab a player or 2 every season undrafted from the Midget Wheat Kings(Ferland is a case in point this season).

Being a northern community you would think that they would draft alot of players around that area especially the Melfort/Tisdale region in the east and the Battlefords region in the west.

I also think that PA should go back to being a place were teams fear to come and play. Mike Modano was one of the best PA players ever but the thing I remember most during his time there was how tough the team was and how much dread you had going to play there. I know that players in Brandon have absolutely no fear going to play in PA now and I think thats a shame

[Raider Believer]

"I also think that PA should go back to being a place were teams fear to come and play. Mike Modano was one of the best PA players ever but the thing I remember most during his time there was how tough the team was and how much dread you had going to play there. I know that players in Brandon have absolutely no fear going to play in PA now and I think thats a shame"

Absolutely right! Let's hope that next year sees an influx of bigger and meaner players!

[Razz]

So true what you say. Don't forget Manson & Baumgartner. That team had a nice mix of chemistry, just like a lot of other franchises since and today. But with the trades they've made of recent, I don't see the homework accomplished. Of what homework was done too much was left on the bench, game in game out. Last years Raiders team should have been a shoe in for 2010 post season. They do have a couple good young guys up front, but like all, everyone needs development to experience the promise land.

[Scruffy]

Raider hockey was a system, much like Notre Dame. The players changed, but the basic system remained intact when Terry was coach/GM.
Success comes from hard work, both on and off the ice. I think Kelly and Terry both led by example in that regard. Kelly was the only coach I saw at a midget game this year.
I'll bet Al Macpherson scouted most every game Roy played last year, even if it was in Meadow Lake in January. Most of the scouts just show up when the games are near the big centers.
I guess I'd miss Razz if they ran him off as he can be informative and entertaining. But I gotta ask, Did some off those kids you listed have yummy mommas , or what the heck were you looking at?

[XCHEKR]

So true what you say. Don't forget Manson & Baumgartner. That team had a nice mix of chemistry, just like a lot of other franchises since and today. But with the trades they've made of recent, I don't see the homework accomplished. Of what homework was done too much was left on the bench, game in game out. Last years Raiders team should have been a shoe in for 2010 post season. They do have a couple good young guys up front, but like all, everyone needs development to experience the promise land.

YAAA we know razz! EXACTLY where this is going...get rid of Campese! You just can't post a comment without getting your digs in!?!?!?!

[Raider Believer]

YAAA we know razz! EXACTLY where this is going...get rid of Campese! You just can't post a comment without getting your digs in!?!?!?!

LOL. Homework is now a metaphor for Bruno Campese. Too funny.

[XCHEKR]

What about the team would you like to talk about?

3 years in a row not making the playoffs
team we are told is losing money
players wanting out
fans not wanting in

Some of us who have been around a while are getting tired of every year talking about the bantam draft and prospects while most others in the league are talking playoffs! Do you want to fantasize about line pairings for next year? Will Button come back from Boston? Who the goalies will be? Who should the Raiders draft? I'm getting tired of it. I want some talk about playoffs for a change. If some of us think that getting rid of Campese as coach will get the Raiders into the playoffs then so be it. It's not the first time fans have not liked a coach and it won't be the last. It's just that the internet has made a great way to ***** while being anonymous. If everyone had their name attached to the posts this would be exactly the boring place you are looking for.

Well, first of all I would like to inform you I have been going to games and a season ticket holder since the Raiders began! If you find it more productive and satisfying to sit and complain over the Raider team, their coach, the whole establishment...go ahead! I happen to enjoy reading different comments made on the team as a whole, up and coming players and i DON'T find it boring!
What I do find amazing is something you commented on> that razz has been on here for...what did you say, how many years? Could it be when campese took the reins? HMMMM!!! YES, he is a raider fan?
Another thing...why would it matter at all when fans sign up to become members on this message board and how long they have been members? FANS in general read these message boards! I know of quite a few myself and they are not members! Someone being a member for a longer period of time such as razz & tuffguy does NOT make it right for them to slander anyone! Instead of trolling everyday on the raider message board...why would razz not be on Medicine Hat message board if he is a so called Tiger fan???

[SaskHockeyFan]

I said he was probably from Medicine Hat, I never said anything about him being a Tigers fan. You can believe whatever you want, all I said is that people are free to post on here whatever they want and it is your decision to read it or not. I was just pointing out that a hockey message board is unfortunately not the place for civil conversations about teams. Maybe the lobby of the rink or the coffee shop but not here. The anonymity of a message board allows for people to say things they would never say to anyone's face. Until the internet changes that's the way message boards work. Have a great evening.

[Raider Believer]

Well, first of all I would like to inform you I have been going to games and a season ticket holder since the Raiders began! If you find it more productive and satisfying to sit and complain over the Raider team, their coach, the whole establishment...go ahead! I happen to enjoy reading different comments made on the team as a whole, up and coming players and i DON'T find it boring!
What I do find amazing is something you commented on> that razz has been on here for...what did you say, how many years? Could it be when campese took the reins? HMMMM!!! YES, he is a raider fan?
Another thing...why would it matter at all when fans sign up to become members on this message board and how long they have been members? FANS in general read these message boards! I know of quite a few myself and they are not members! Someone being a member for a longer period of time such as razz & tuffguy does NOT make it right for them to slander anyone! Instead of trolling everyday on the raider message board...why would razz not be on Medicine Hat message board if he is a so called Tiger fan???

Thank you XCHEKR, my sentiments exactly! And incidentally, I am not a newbie to hockey forums and message boards. And I have been reading this board for close to a year now. Like you, I enjoy the nuances of what goes on with the team. I love speculating, hoping and cheering for what will in the not too distant future be a Memorial Cup bound team.

[Chipshot]

Whine whine whine...I have ahd to change my name on here 4 times because I suddenly get booted off. Heck I couldn't log in for months...and no I wasn't banned. I have read the threads and you people have a short memory. You used to go on for months and months about Donn Clarke whining about this and that. Now you are protecting Campese from being hit in the chops a few times. You are just afraid that if Campese is tossed there is NO ONE STUPID ENOUGH TO COME TO PRINCE ALBERT AND DEAL WITH THE INCOMPETENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS....and an empty rink.

[Chipshot]

I don't know if most of you remember but the mid 80s/early 90s Wheat Kings teams were a disgrace. I think KM bought the Wheat Kings in 1990 or 91 and took over as coach. Left with nothing and no prospects it was a couple of hard years but he got Brandon's house in order and brought in Bobby lowes and since then Brandon has made the playoffs 18 of 19 years.

I think knowing your franchise and its place in the league is important. Knowing what players to draft such as local kids especially in the later rounds has been a key factor for not just Brandon's survival but its prosperity.

PA for being a "small market" team like Brandon does not seem to want to exploit its region. You have one of the most successful Midget teams in the country but it seems few players come from this team. Brandon always seems to grab a player or 2 every season undrafted from the Midget Wheat Kings(Ferland is a case in point this season).

Being a northern community you would think that they would draft alot of players around that area especially the Melfort/Tisdale region in the east and the Battlefords region in the west.

I also think that PA should go back to being a place were teams fear to come and play. Mike Modano was one of the best PA players ever but the thing I remember most during his time there was how tough the team was and how much dread you had going to play there. I know that players in Brandon have absolutely no fear going to play in PA now and I think thats a shame

Your philosophy is solid...unfortunately it doesn't work that way in a community owned team vs a privately owned. The guy who owns the team and answers to no one...the first priority is making money. It worked for KM. But this Board has been a donkey show for so long that the local talent want to go to the big city teams and see the lights...not the flashlights with dying batteries...

You try and be the scout phoning a hundred kids and convincing them to report to PA if they are drafted. Try being rejected 80% of the time because it is small market, incompetently run team in northern saskatchewan with very little to offer. How many kids dream of being a Raider?

The Raiders used to draft on the bigger and tougher side....then the rule changes came in...and we were screwed for a number of years because of that philosophy.

[XCHEKR]

Whine whine whine...I have ahd to change my name on here 4 times because I suddenly get booted off. Heck I couldn't log in for months...and no I wasn't banned. I have read the threads and you people have a short memory. You used to go on for months and months about Donn Clarke whining about this and that. Now you are protecting Campese from being hit in the chops a few times. You are just afraid that if Campese is tossed there is NO ONE STUPID ENOUGH TO COME TO PRINCE ALBERT AND DEAL WITH THE INCOMPETENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS....and an empty rink.

YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES!!! HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT OF GOING FOR HELP??? If you have to keep changing your name like that...maybe you should try!

[Chipshot]

Xchekr....your comment was inappropriate...I think you should be banned!

[Raider Believer]

Xchekr....your comment was inappropriate...I think you should be banned!

Xchekr is one of the good guys. And he actually knows what he's talking about and is a true Raider fan .... unlike some of the 'fair weather fans' that lurk like cowards over a carcass. But honestly, I'm starting to enjoy you Chipshot eeerr....tuffguy or whatever you're calling yourself today. You bring comic relief after a hard day at the office. Reading your nonsensce makes makes me more sympathetic to some of the newbies I meet at the rink.