Any chance...?

[Bocephus]

...that the Canes trade that Regina first rounder for 2011 back to the Pats for Morgan Klimchuk and the canes have both Midget team mates Klimchuk and Merkley as 16 year olds next season? They would both be in their 17 year old seasons on a 2012-2013 team. Assets from the 2011 draft, no matter how high, are not going to be contributors on that 2013 team other than tradable assets.

[ZAMBONI-PHONEY]

...that the Canes trade that Regina first rounder for 2011 back to the Pats for Morgan Klimchuk and the canes have both Midget team mates Klimchuk and Merkley as 16 year olds next season? They would both be in their 17 year old seasons on a 2012-2013 team. Assets from the 2011 draft, no matter how high, are not going to be contributors on that 2013 team other than tradable assets.

Preston has stated several times that he does not want to trade his high draft picks. However, Preston did try to make a deal during the draft last year to get Klimchuk. So I guess there would always be a chance, but slim at best that he would make such a deal. It might become more of a reality if the Hurricanes fall out of the playoff race. I would imagine Pat's GM Chad Lang would like to have the 2011 pick back as this year's draft is supposed to be top-heavy with big, fast, skilled forwards, something both teams need.

:bevvy:

[Bocephus]

How are 2011 draft picks going to contribute to that planned 2013 team? They will only be in their 16 year old season. A competitive Mem Cup team would be relying on their 18 and 19s. They are currently 16 and 17. Bennefield, McKeknie, Jackson, Tot,...
I'd be more convinced this team is being groomed for 2014 and 2015. That is when this past draft and coming draft will be mature WHL players. That's a long ways off when you think about it.

[HURRICANE'S ROCK]

How are 2011 draft picks going to contribute to that planned 2013 team? They will only be in their 16 year old season. A competitive Mem Cup team would be relying on their 18 and 19s. They are currently 16 and 17. Bennefield, McKeknie, Jackson, Tot,...
I'd be more convinced this team is being groomed for 2014 and 2015. That is when this past draft and coming draft will be mature WHL players. That's a long ways off when you think about it.
You are bang on with your comments and good post We just won't have the horses to go for the Cup in 2013. Even if we trade for Klimchuk, he and Merkley will only be 17 and can't be expected to be dominant players. I don't think our current 16/17 year olds will give us a Mem Cup type of team in 2013. Probably 2014 and even more 2015 should be the Canes peak years with all the draft picks we have in 2010 and 2011.
Before we make any moves with Regina's pick we need to know what pick it is. If it is #1 or even #2 there may just be a player that will be too awesome to trade for anything. Klimchuk and Merkley are putting up good numbers in Ab Midget as 15 year olds. But what if there is a bonafide superstar at the top of the 2011 draft, do you trade it for Klimchuk? I think not.
It may seem like forever away but the Canes might be better off aiming at HOSTING the 2016 cup. Our picks from 2011 will be 19 at that time. We could trade some of our 2010 picks away in 3 or 4 years for possibly a a boatload of younger talent, that will be 18 or 19 in 2016. Also by 2016 with all the potential talent the Canes could have, we should have instilled a winning tradition into this team and gone through a few good playoff wars.
I know 2016 is forever away but if you analyze the overall situation it makes sense. I just don't see how we will be a really top notch team by 2013.

[Bocephus]

Thanks.
I really believe if the Canes are awarded the mem cup then they will be trading these picks/prospects to improve their roster with 'ringers'.
I'm torn about it. There is something to be said for cheering for Cane drafted and developed players.
Is the staff incompetent enough to mess up top five picks?

[HURRICANE'S ROCK]

Is the staff incompetent enough to mess up top five picks?

It seems like they hit the nail on the head with Merkley. Klimchuk has more goals and a few more points but from what I have heard, Jay is a much better overall player.

AB MIDGET SCORING LEADERS

No. Player GP G A PTS GWG GTG PPG SHG ENG PIM
9 Luke Philp UFA Bisons 22 14 23 37 2 0 6 1 0 12
23 Matthew Scarth Calgary Buffaloes 22 21 15 36 4 2 3 1 0 62
9 Morgan Klimchuk Calgary Buffaloes 22 17 18 35 1 0 3 1 0 6
21 Torrin White UFA Bisons 22 12 22 34 3 0 3 1 0 28
12 Jonathan Merkley Calgary Buffaloes 22 9 25 34 1 0 4 0 0 14

[Bocephus]

There are only five players on today's roster that were on the roster two years ago. Any chance we see the same turnover in two years time?

[Bocephus]

Rebels 16 year old defenseman Mathew Dumba has 11 goals this year. That is 3 more than the combined goal totals of our 17, 22, 21, 11 and 12 of which are all forwards. This comes from the Bocephus Negativity Files. :)

[Bocephus]

Rebels 16 year old defenseman Mathew Dumba has 11 goals this year. That is 3 more than the combined goal totals of our 17, 22, 21, 11 and 12 of which are all forwards. This comes from the Bocephus Negativity Files. :)
That's also 4 more than our entire total from our defenseman.

[Dutchie]

Hey H/R, noticed on your list of Ab midget scoring leaders the name "Matthew Scarth" . Didn't the 'canes draft him in 2008? Do you know if he's still with the 'canes? Don't recall him being at training camp.

[2speak4all]

That's also 4 more than our entire total from our defenseman.

I counted 9 goals for our dman and so that means only 2 more . The have a total of 12 goals from other dman. But lets looks at their roster. They also have 4 drafted dman on their roster, so a major difference in goal scorers. When Red Deer was in the ditches other years past, their numbers were not as good either.

The year that the Canes won the Eastern Championship the dman tallied a total of 22 goals. They had the likes of Sbisa, Wright, Versteeg and Jesse Craig. And played with a forward team with the likes of Sceviour, Banks, Boychuk, Fadden, Ashton, Dwight King, Iwanski and Wuchterl. A huge offensive team increases the skill and confidence of the dman.

So in half the season the present dman have 9 goals, double that to 18 for a potentional yearend total and it is a fair comparison if not even better than what the dman of the 2007/08 campaign did.

My point is that for the team we have presently, IMO the contribution of the dman is right up there with the skill level.

Not saying one thing or another, but it is a proven fact that you play a different game if you are up for a few goals than if you are down a few goals. Losing -- you play a more defensive game than offensive. Winning - your confidence is up and play far more offensive. Confidence is a big thing, and right now the team is lacking in confidence of themselves. I hope they can get it back, but they need some serious wins to help bolster that again.

[SectionNDeserter]

I counted 9 goals for our dman and so that means only 2 more . The have a total of 12 goals from other dman. But lets looks at their roster. They also have 4 drafted dman on their rosterTwo

[dagnabbit]

Tough comparison ... Matt Dumba is a stud. I watched him at the U17 and him and Morgan Rielly were unbelievable. These guys are both future NHL draft picks. Pouliot looked real good as well. Lethbridge does not have players of this caliber right now.

[HURRICANE'S ROCK]

Hey H/R, noticed on your list of Ab midget scoring leaders the name "Matthew Scarth" . Didn't the 'canes draft him in 2008? Do you know if he's still with the 'canes? Don't recall him being at training camp.

Yes he was still on our list I believe in June 2009. Don't know what has transpired since then.

Matthew Scarth -- Acquired: 2008 10th round bantam pick
Left Wing, 5'8", 143lb, 16 yr old as of 2009.

He sure was a small kid and maybe that is why he is not in the Dub.

[Bocephus]

Is Scarth on the same team as Klimchuk and Merkley and does he play on the same line?

[Hockey Spy]

Yes, they do play on the same line.

However, Scarth is no longer on the Hurricanes PPL.

[Bocephus]

Is the PPL available to anyone? Is there a link? That would be interesting to view.

[canes77]

Is the PPL available to anyone? Is there a link? That would be interesting to view.

Here is the closest list of the Canes list - as of last summer

Done by Alan Caldwell

http://smallatlarge.blogspot.com/2010/06/2010-11-prospects-lethbridge.html

[Bocephus]

Any chance...Mason Blacklock from that list makes the Canes? He has nice numbers.

[Bocephus]

Oh, and why would there be two 20 year olds on that list that are playing NCAA and putting up awful numbers? Seems goofy.

[Bocephus]

3 points in 27 games for Blacklock so probably not. :(
http://www.langleychiefs.net/leagues/team_statistics.cfm?clientID=2749&leagueID=6888