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Western Elite
11-14-2012, 01:04 PM
Sutter takes over as head coach and Jeff Truitt joins him.

patsdude114
11-14-2012, 02:09 PM
I had a feeling this was going to happen when Sutter came back to run his club. With all the trades he has made to get rid of players he didn't like. I'm surprised it took this long.

Wallin is a quality young head coach & he will find another job in the WHL soon enough. Ha maybe Swift Current can fire Lamb & bring in an actual Head Coach now (yes SC fans thata huge jab at u guys)

So much for the rumours of Truitt going to Stoon to fix that mess, looks like Blades fans are still stuck with Mollenken.

Rebelsfan13
11-14-2012, 02:46 PM
This was inevitable. Jesse has had plenty of opportunities with different rosters but never with the results required at this level.

Jesse is a great guy and hopefully he lands on his feet but it was time for a change and when you are the owner and the general manager it is your decision and Brent must feel that he can do better.

Time will tell.

Warrior
11-14-2012, 08:34 PM
This was inevitable. Jesse has had plenty of opportunities with different rosters but never with the results required at this level.
Time will tell.

Plenty of opportunities with less talent than anyone else. When are the Rebels and Rebel fans going to wake up and realize the scouting is sub par. Sit down on the glass the next time MedHat comes in and watch those forwards. Those are real WHL forwards...to a man, right from the Shinkaruk down to their 15th forward, they are better the Rebels forwards.

Believe this: Randy wanted to take the 5th overall pick Mark McNeil over Nugent-Hopkins!!! The Rebels will never again be successful with the head scout they have.

therat
11-15-2012, 12:07 AM
Believe this: Randy wanted to take the 5th overall pick Mark McNeil over Nugent-Hopkins!!! The Rebels will never again be successful with the head scout they have.

Honestly, besides the prestige of the Rebels having the 1st overall NHL draft pick, wouldn't the Rebels have been better off having McNeill for 4 years than the 2 years that they got out of RNH?

SectionNDeserter
11-15-2012, 06:58 AM
Honestly, besides the prestige of the Rebels having the 1st overall NHL draft pick, wouldn't the Rebels have been better off having McNeill for 4 years than the 2 years that they got out of RNH?I was actually thinking the same thing. Or how about four seasons of Ty Rattie? Don't get me wrong, RNH sure was entertaining to watch, but there is a number of scenarios that would have worked out better at the junior level, than two seasons of RNH.

Obviously when a team has a number of eighteen year old undrafted rookie checkers cracking the roster out of training camp, the scouting hasn't been top-notch, but the Rebel scouts haven't been all bad, they did scout out relative unknowns like Coetzee, Elson, and Kuemper, who they listed for nothing or acquired for next to nothing, and they did pretty good getting Petrovic and Fleury with their second rounders of late.

The current team does have some talented young players on it, that really should be showing more improvement than they have. Hopefully the changes to the bench will set some of them in the right direction again.

trucker
11-15-2012, 07:00 PM
I had a feeling this was going to happen when Sutter came back to run his club. With all the trades he has made to get rid of players he didn't like. I'm surprised it took this long.

Wallin is a quality young head coach & he will find another job in the WHL soon enough. Ha maybe Swift Current can fire Lamb & bring in an actual Head Coach now (yes SC fans thata huge jab at u guys)

So much for the rumours of Truitt going to Stoon to fix that mess, looks like Blades fans are still stuck with Mollenken.


If Wallin can role 4 lines for more than half a period, then...he's better than Lamb!! lol

patsdude114
11-16-2012, 12:16 AM
Believe this: Randy wanted to take the 5th overall pick Mark McNeil over Nugent-Hopkins!!! The Rebels will never again be successful with the head scout they have.

As good as RNH was from a franchise look McNeil would of been a better choice in the long term. Its not like Rebels wwon anything when RNH was there due to the failed attempt (if any at all) of putting all the pieces together when having such an elite talent. Having McNeil in RD this year with Dumba would easily have the Rebels in 1st in the Central. Maybe the Rebels brass should of listened to Randy??????

As for Wallin every time the Rebels were in Regina I always thought Wallin was a great coach in how he had his group prepaared & firing on all cyclinders. Especially on the PP which always looked dangerous.

lordstanley
11-16-2012, 12:16 PM
Rebels release Bittner and Ferguson today Brent Sutter is in clean up mode Rebels only have 11 forwards but have 9 defense

SectionNDeserter
11-16-2012, 12:41 PM
Rebels release Bittner and Ferguson today Brent Sutter is in clean up mode Rebels only have 11 forwards but have 9 defenseActually 8 defense and 12 forwards, as Thiel has been converted to forward.

Warrior
11-17-2012, 04:49 PM
The point wasn't that the Rebels would have been better off with a different player, McNeil, Rattie or otherwise...the point is that the inept Rebels scouting staff was going to overlook the best 1993 player in the world.
As a Rebels fan, that should really concern you....at least if you want to see quality WHL hockey in Red Deer again.
Remember...it was the previous scouting staff that picked the players on the Mem Cup team.
W

SectionNDeserter
11-17-2012, 06:26 PM
The point wasn't that the Rebels would have been better off with a different player, McNeil, Rattie or otherwise...the point is that the inept Rebels scouting staff was going to overlook the best 1993 player in the world. Isn't the primary job of the scouting staff to identify players that will most help the team? If so, I would say that considering taking a different 'can't-miss' top 10 ranked bantam draft player that is going to play for 4 seasons instead of 2, is a very valid consideration and not inept at all.

Warrior
11-17-2012, 09:43 PM
lol sectiondeserter...you are such a fanboy. Justify this...the Rebels don't have a top 80 scorer in the league and if you take out Charles, they don't have a player in the top 100. Please tell me how the scouting staff is doing their job.

And don't tell me Bleackley was a good pick, kids skating will never allow him to excel.

W

SectionNDeserter
11-18-2012, 12:42 AM
Nice job changing the subject when presented with the facts... I don't think I have ever stated anywhere, an opinion on the Rebel scouting one way or the other. I simply said that in retrospect, drafting an elite talent that plays for your team for 4 seasons, is arguably better than drafting a better player that only plays two seasons, and that i don't think that alone makes a scout 'inept'.

There are teams in the league that have better scouting than the Rebels, and their are teams that have worse scouting. There is certainly room for improvement for sure.

As for Bleakley, you could be right, but I personally would wait until he has played more than 20-30 games in the league before declaring something like that.

Rebelsfan13
11-21-2012, 09:52 AM
I never questioned picking Hopkins even if we only had him two years. What I struggled with was not moving him when you know you aren't going to make a run and re unlikely to have him back the following year. This can be said for other players as well, Petro I am sure would have had a decent return.

As for Medicine Hat's deep drafting and prospect list how did that work out last night?

Tiger Trauma
11-21-2012, 11:34 AM
I never questioned picking Hopkins even if we only had him two years. What I struggled with was not moving him when you know you aren't going to make a run and re unlikely to have him back the following year. This can be said for other players as well, Petro I am sure would have had a decent return.

As for Medicine Hat's deep drafting and prospect list how did that work out last night?

They aren't the same team without their #1 scorer and #2 centre. 4th games in 5 nights and had an 18 hour bus ride back from everett Sunday Night and most of monday. So forgive them for their off night :)

The biggest change I saw was that Sutter has your team working very hard, with a better commitment to the team systems. They are playing with confidence and your goaltender was playing exceptional...Literally gave up no rebounds.

Can you guys tell me more about 16 year old #4 Haydn Fleury. What are his strengths and weaknesses?

SectionNDeserter
11-21-2012, 12:34 PM
Can you guys tell me more about 16 year old #4 Haydn Fleury. What are his strengths and weaknesses?Fleury is basically a clone of Alex Petrovic, but a considerably better skater at the same age. He has a huge frame for a 16 year old, rushes up-ice with the puck very well, has a great first pass out of the zone, and has a big physical element. His weaknesses are pretty much the same as every other 16 year old defenseman--struggles at times to play speedy forwards one-on-one (though he is improving).

Tiger Trauma
11-21-2012, 05:13 PM
Fleury is basically a clone of Alex Petrovic, but a considerably better skater at the same age. He has a huge frame for a 16 year old, rushes up-ice with the puck very well, has a great first pass out of the zone, and has a big physical element. His weaknesses are pretty much the same as every other 16 year old defenseman--struggles at times to play speedy forwards one-on-one (though he is improving).

Thanks. I was impressed by his size and how fluid he was at skating the puck out of his zone last night. Next time the rebels come to town I'm gonna watch him more closely.

SectionNDeserter
06-27-2014, 07:45 PM
And don't tell me Bleackley was a good pick, kids skating will never allow him to excel.

WHate to necro this old thread, but it is always nice to go back in time a little, and remind people of just how incredibly wrong they are.