MORRISEY TRADED - FIRST DOMINO HAS FALLEN

[chopper]

The Morrisey deal sends a talented player to a team already loaded with riches. PA got a strong return IMO. Let's be honest Morrisey has been plagued with inconsistency a lot of his career. He and Klimchuk were taken very near each other in the WHL draft. I would expect that this could in fact have the effect of driving prices even higher. Now teams like Seattle, Victoria and perhaps Portland are going to have to decide if they want to contend out west or not. With Klimchuk and Reinhart the big fish left, prices will be high.

From what I've been able to read, Kootenay doesn't look to be in a selling mood. They have have a history of making big deals like the Eakin deal. With Dashenau, Bozon and Reinhart, they are only a player or two away from being contenders. But really it's anybody's guess which way they will go. I think the PA deal signals that a team playing well will still make a deal. Much like the Pats they know that they are not there yet, and want to shore up their future. We should have done this last season. Things should heat up now.

[RWAH]

It is not a good year for sellers as Kel. and Brn. are so strong in their conferences. Brandon is really built for next year and 2016/17 so I can not see them making any more major moves that would effect the team in mediun term. We will not be buyers and I don't think Swift will either. In the Central division possible MH and Cal. could be buyers. In the BC division Kel. has one trade done and could be after some forwards and scoring help but they will be stingy with any offer. Victoria could be a buyer. In the US Evt. and Por. are the top seed so either could be buyers. With that said and take Kel. and Brn. out you are left with M.H. Cal. Vic. Eve. Por.

On another note: Looking at the standings PG has 16 wins but has 98 GF and 127 GA They must win a lot of one goal games and loose by a large margin. They should be looking for a tender

[patsdude114]

I think SC will be a buyer they have a very strong defense and a very strong 20yr old group. They have under achieved up to this point, they also have some quality 17yr olds in Gawdin and Debrusk moving forward.... Get those 2 players lots of playoff experience this year and you will see their development in becoming dominate type players (even though that is Prob in the cards already for them)

I guess if you look at the return on Morrissey and the age groups the PA has now the trade works out for them to get 2 players who will play into their 20yr old season. That type of a return wouldn't do us much good cause those are not the age groups we are building around. We already have a 19yr old who doesn't get to play much when out lineup is healthy. We need 16 or 17 year olds in any trade we do (or even a 15yr old &/or picks)

So here is a question that maybe someone can answer... I know there is a CHL rule where players at the WJ tournament can not be traded but are they allowed to be traded while they are attending say a camp to make the team? If they are not allowed too then Klimchuk can not be traded starting today until he he released or the tournament is over

[chopper]

There are a lot of dynamics to a trade that are never brought out. Clearly Kelowna is going for it. They get two 19 year olds and may have one of them back next year. They give PA a 19 and 18 year old. Lees at this moment has more points than Morrisey and will be a Burroughs type player for them next year. They got 18 year old Austin Glover who is a 6'2" right winger scoring nearly a point per game. They potentially have him for two years. To boot they get a 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Right now PA knows Morrisey is gone for at least a month and they have one of their top d-men out with injury. This way they can keep competing having Lees in the lineup. Glover is a younger upgrade over Quinney. I think PA did alright considering everything.

If this deal is made on January 10th I believe Kelowna needs to give up a 1st and 2nd pick to make this happen. PA gets a d-man right now and Kelowna has to wait to get their prize.

The details on trades during the WJ's is bit mirky. It seems like some have been announced while other's hadn't. Maybe that was just due to media or team leaks. Trades have been made but not released until after the tourney. I don't know about training camp but doubt because those who are released are subject to be traded. It would be good to know the real facts and process.

[patsdude114]

Looks like Hilsendager is out with a long term injury and Ryan Krushen is getting recalled to fill in.... This could mean Krushen is up for the rest of the year due to schooling commitments. He has looked good during his last call up and at the start of the year before being reassigned, yet another list player this franchise has down well with...

Correct me if I'm wrong or forgetting someone but current list players on the roster are.....
Hunt
Gay
Brown
Christoffer
Harrison
Krushen (as of very soon)

Plus a list player who has signed the WHL standard agreement
Berg

[chopper]

Looks like Hilsendager is out with a long term injury and Ryan Krushen is getting recalled to fill in.... This could mean Krushen is up for the rest of the year due to schooling commitments. He has looked good during his last call up and at the start of the year before being reassigned, yet another list player this franchise has down well with...

Correct me if I'm wrong or forgetting someone but current list players on the roster are.....
Hunt
Gay
Brown
Christoffer
Harrison
Krushen (as of very soon)

Plus a list player who has signed the WHL standard agreement
Berg

Maybe D'Amico? I think he was drafted by Seattle, realeased and listed by us. Could be wrong about that.

[patsdude114]

The Pats injected some youth to the lineup today by recalling forward Jacob Elmer ('98) and defenceman Ryan Krushen ('98). Krushen played two games with the Pats earlier this season while Elmer has been on a tear in midget with 8 goals and 4 assists in his last three games.

^from facebook page


I think we will see both these players sticking around for the remainder of the year as well... just a feeling I got



And I do believe you are right add D'Amico to that list, that's rare to see that our entire 1st line (HUNT/GAY/D'AMICO) are all list players

[patsdude114]

Regina, Saskatchewan – The Regina Pats Hockey Club announced today the team has recalled forward Jacob Elmer (’98) from the Edge Hockey School (CSSHL) and defenceman Ryan Krushen (‘98) from the Sherwood Park Kings (AMHL).

Elmer was the Pats’ 6th Round pick (116 Overall) in the 2013 WHL Bantam Draft and joins the club in the midst of a strong year with the Edge Hockey School. In 15 games this season, Elmer leads his club with 13 goals while adding 11 assists for 24 points. In the three games leading up to Elmer’s call-up, the Calgary product has 12 points (8G, 4A). In five pre-season games with the Pats this fall, Elmer scored three goals including a two goal effort against Moose Jaw. Elmer is the youngest player on a WHL roster, not turning sixteen until December 31st.

Krushen rejoins the Pats from the Sherwood Park Kings after playing two games in a call-up stint earlier in the season. The Sherwood Park, AB native played in two games with an even plus/minus rating.

The Pats look to return to the win column Saturday night in Saskatoon with puck drop slated for 7:05 p.m.


Daniel Fink
Director Media and Communications
Regina Pats Hockey Club

[chopper]

The Pats injected some youth to the lineup today by recalling forward Jacob Elmer ('98) and defenceman Ryan Krushen ('98). Krushen played two games with the Pats earlier this season while Elmer has been on a tear in midget with 8 goals and 4 assists in his last three games.

^from facebook page


I think we will see both these players sticking around for the remainder of the year as well... just a feeling I got



And I do believe you are right add D'Amico to that list, that's rare to see that our entire 1st line (HUNT/GAY/D'AMICO) are all list players

It's a heck of a lot more productive than the 2011 draft was:) I will gladly admit Brooks has surprised me in a way I didn't see coming. The other two in that 2nd round not so much. I would agree with you that bringing those two kids up at this point would likely be for the season. Primarily the schooling issue has to be addressed and you can't yo-yo them at this stage of the school year. It does suggest that with extra bodies around there may need to be some movement to make room for them. Interesting times coming.

[patsdude114]

Oh God that 2011 draft was just brutal, especially now with Mumby no longer here (never thought id say those words lol)

If all of a sudden Koberstein showed up in a Pats jersey then that draft could be seen as a decent success with himself and Brooks. Sure nice that Brooks has found his offensive game with getting a bigger role to try to produce, im the first to admit I was very hard on him and didn't think he belonged in the league. Glad he has proved me wrong.

[chopper]

Oh God that 2011 draft was just brutal, especially now with Mumby no longer here (never thought id say those words lol)

If all of a sudden Koberstein showed up in a Pats jersey then that draft could be seen as a decent success with himself and Brooks. Sure nice that Brooks has found his offensive game with getting a bigger role to try to produce, im the first to admit I was very hard on him and didn't think he belonged in the league. Glad he has proved me wrong.

So true! I don't get Koberstein. His NHL team must want him to develop, but the USHL? I read on the LP that the WHL imposes a moratorium from Dec 15 - 26 as far as trades are concerned. It means the Pats have 4 days to make any deals or they wait until the 26th.

[patsdude114]

So true! I don't get Koberstein. His NHL team must want him to develop, but the USHL? I read on the LP that the WHL imposes a moratorium from Dec 15 - 26 as far as trades are concerned. It means the Pats have 4 days to make any deals or they wait until the 26th.

You would think his agent and the Montreal Canadiens would want to get him to develop under a successful NHL/AHL coach & manager rather then the USHL but it just goes to show what sort of damage the Parker's did do with the respect towards this franchise over the years.

So after the 4 days coming up then there is what 15 days from dec 26-jan10 for any trades to be made............ interesting times but for the love of god I want to see what our franchise does, the team we all care about so much :D

Being that our next game is against Saskatoon does one think that maybe Steel will be playing with Elmer?

[chopper]

Paddock will exercise due diligence but he will do something. I also think he is playing possum to some extent. You have to know there are ongoing negotiations but he isn't showing his hand. With Williams and now Hilsendager hurt, there may be a different priority somewhat. So many scenarios out there. Perhaps he moves Klimchuk but not Burroughs? Maybe another deal involving some other players surfaces. He is likely talking with NHL clubs (NYI) what their plans are. Weighing offers and fine tuning others.

If he has been truthful about rebuilding then I think it would prudent to follow through with your business plan. Klimchuk and Burroughs will get us prospects and picks. It will fill draft holes and position us for success. I don't think he will use the Parker model.

I think last nights loss and the Morrisey trade are food for Paddock to chew on. A few losses and your back to a mediocre club again. Injuries can derail you quickly like last year with Stevenson and Wapple. Not moving Klimchuk + Burroughs would be a blunder.

I suspect he will follow through and move them both to get the prospects and picks he needs. It could be an 11th hour deal like last year. The potential is there for a huge blockbuster or two! I don't think Paddock will get swindled as I sense he is very astute.

I would love to be a fly on the wall of the their war room. If Klimchuk makes the WJ team I don't think he comes back to the Pats. Burroughs will likely be dangled to the highest bidder and that could go to deadline type of thing.

[sbtatter]

Can you imagine how strong Regina will be in 3 years if they trade away Klimchuk and Burroughs, aye aye aye as a WK fan i hope you keep them both!

[chopper]

Can you imagine how strong Regina will be in 3 years if they trade away Klimchuk and Burroughs, aye aye aye as a WK fan i hope you keep them both!

To a large extent I think Paddock is looking at the models of both Brandon and Kelowna. He will be doing things differently than in the past, and it's clear the new owners want a powerhouse. In a couple years I believe they will be something to be contended with.

Pats fans are not under the illusion that we're top 4 club, but we're obviously happy with the way the team is playing as of late. They compete and are very hard to play against. They need more talent and seasoning. Until then there will be some good and bad times.

Geez I hope we don't do any favours for the WK's..LOL:) They already have too many riches. At least you can't take advantage of Robson anymore:) Based on talent and experience Brandon and Medicine Hat should duke it out in the East. In the West Kelowna and well Kelowna should prevail out there. The only caveat would be if a 2nd tier team makes a bunch of moves. Regina could be a king maker and there are great 20 year olds like Rodewald that might put a team into that echelon. It will be fun to follow.

[Bighat]

Evert and calgary in the final. If we trade klimchuck it better be for picks and 16-17 yr olds. I see next years trade deadline our big selling year. We will position ourselves for 2016/17. That's why I'm not too worried about this years trade deadline, it doesn't really effect the big picture, we recoup all our picks plus a few players next year by trading 2 or 3 of: hunt, gay, wappel, Williams. You guys might not see it my way which is fair but this year really doesn't affect the long term plans and I think paddock sees it the same way. If we get the right package for klimchuck and Burroughs then yes we could possible make a run next year but I don't see teams giving up key players. I guess we will see how our future looks next home game with the young guys called up.. Our system is deep just have to recoup a couple of picks.

[patsdude114]

my question to you is....

what do you honestly think Hunt Gay Wapple Williams will be worth next year as 20yr olds? especially at trade deadline when its a 2month rental and their careers are done with....

we have less to sell next year, trade deadline is basically the shuffle of the 19yr olds.




If we trade klimchuck it better be for picks and 16-17 yr olds.

The only thing I agree with in your post is this line here ^, if we get a deal like what PA got I don't see the point in pulling the trigger as those are not the age groups we are building around (or trying to build around).

[Bighat]

I see wappel giving a team the goaltender to put them over the top (pats 2001) ouch still a sore spot. Hunt gives a team a 80 point getter next year and gay 35 goals. Williams would anchor a pp next year. All good 20's for a mem cup contender.

[Fight Guy]

So true! I don't get Koberstein. His NHL team must want him to develop, but the USHL?I really don't think we'll ever see him here. Sounds like he's completely committed to college hockey. UAF (University of Alaska Fairbanks) to be precise. The Habs don't expect to see him in their system for a few years, other than camps. I'm sure they'd like him to develop in major junior, but they won't try to make a player throw his college and education dreams away. I feel this ship has sailed.

[chopper]

The Koberstein ship may have sailed away but one never knows. Like I've seen time and time again, the NCAA thing is often a huge disappointment for these kids. If their a 1st or 2nd round pick the NHL team call them up and they turn pro before ever graduating.

A lot of the other kids get to their teams and either end up red shirting or playing very little as 18 yr old rookies. Often times going into their 2nd year @ 19 they may have played in 15 games, and often end up back with their CHL teams i.e. Tambellini last year.

Next year at the trade deadline the only teams perhaps wanting an upgrade at the 20 yr old spot will be contenders. That means they likely already have strong 20 yr olds, and won't pay dearly to upgrade. At best a 4th or 5th round picks as a return.

If Hunt, Gay and Williams are performing at a high level as 20 year olds, Paddock would never move them for the type of compensation he would surely be offered. He still needs leadership for a young group and still wants to be competitive. He's made that clear.

Other than 20 year olds we will have nothing to trade next year, certainly nothing we could get 2nd or 3rd round picks for. We will be keeping the core together to make a run at it the following season. Klimchuk and Burroughs are our best chance to recover picks.

We're playing good hockey but we're not final four material. Look at what Kelowna did today and what other teams are likely to do as well. To get the players we would need just to make a decent run, would decimate our draft for three years or longer. Unacceptable.

[Bighat]

The trade of 20 year olds would be done early in the season.

[chopper]

Does anyone have any inside info on this Adam Berg kid? He has signed with us, he's a big 6'1" kid playing well in the AJHL, ranked by Central Scouting, invited for a tryout for the world Jr "A" challenge team, and yet we haven't called him up ??

I like Elmer and I think he will be a big time goal scorer for us, but he's only 15 and we're bringing him up probably for the season. But for some reason we're not bringing up Berg?

Our Listed players Mumby(18) and Berg(17) have been playing well in AJHL and invited to try out for that Jr"A" challenge team. Both are Calgary kids and it almost seems maybe they could be possible pieces for a major trade with the Hitmen. Any thoughts??

I don't know why but IMO Calgary is a likely destination for Klimchuk and maybe even Burroughs. With the extra talent we have in the area it could be a huge deal. Maybe part of it could be returning the 3rd rounder we owe for Padakin?

[patsdude114]

I see wappel giving a team the goaltender to put them over the top (pats 2001) ouch still a sore spot. Hunt gives a team a 80 point getter next year and gay 35 goals. Williams would anchor a pp next year. All good 20's for a mem cup contender.

ok but that still didn't put any value on them... and very few teams pay a big price for 20yr olds no matter how good they are

[Bighat]

Well you can get a 1st maybe but definitely 2nd and 3rd round picks. I think you'll see brandon give mj a 2nd for jack shortly. It's no different then trading for a 19 yr old for 3 months? If you can get a high talent 20 and upgrade it makes no difference. We're asking for a ransom for klimchuck and he has 0 chance of playing next year. If you have a 20 year that can get you 80 points I think it's worth a high draft pick.

[patsdude114]

http://www.reginapats.com/article/pats-sign-five-prospects


Berg is signed (^) and I don't get why he hasn't been called up yet either, I thought he would get a call up before Elmer.

Also for those who are curious here is Zimmer's stats in the MJHL he is producing over a point/game (as he should be with major junior experience)

http://www.mjhlhockey.ca/stats/regular-season.html for some reason it doesn't link his actual player profile you have to click on the NEXT20 twice (if I figure it out ill post the proper link)

[patsdude114]

Well you can get a 1st maybe but definitely 2nd and 3rd round picks. I think you'll see brandon give mj a 2nd for jack shortly. It's no different then trading for a 19 yr old for 3 months? If you can get a high talent 20 and upgrade it makes no difference. We're asking for a ransom for klimchuck and he has 0 chance of playing next year. If you have a 20 year that can get you 80 points I think it's worth a high draft pick.

the thing to keep in mind is these are 20yr olds who are not good enough for pro hockey which is why they are back in junior hockey, when comparing an elite 19yr old adding a 20yr old into the same convo just doesn't happen. Yes the time frame makes a lot of sense I fully get what your saying where its not much difference if renting a 19yr old for 3months compared to a 20yr old but in terms of they type of player they are there is a huge difference in terms of trade talk...

If you can get a 1st or 2nd round pick for either 20yr old you mention what are you doing being a fan you better be a GM

[Bighat]

I had to retire the fans drove me out. Lol

[RWAH]

Chopper we can not keep a 15 up until the Midget team he is registered with are out of their league and playoffs. Before that they can play a total of 5 games as an associate player, so Elmer is not here for the season: probable for the three games before the Christmas break. Berg in the new year if Klimchuk is on the Jr.s or traded

On another note the new owners are very interested to bid for the 2019 MCup and I note the 2016 bid evaluation included a review of the teams (Red Deer and Vancouver) players, prospects and draft picks, That sounds a long way off but in fact it is 4 seasons after this. May 2014 draft players would be in their 19 year old season in 2019. That makes it important to recoup and maybe increase the 2015 draft picks

[patsdude114]

Elmer is still 15 but he is considered a 16yr old as he turns 16 on dec 31st

So yes they can keep him up all year :)

[nivek_wahs]

http://www.reginapats.com/article/pats-sign-five-prospects


Berg is signed (^) and I don't get why he hasn't been called up yet either, I thought he would get a call up before Elmer. You have to remember that Elmer almost made the team and was reassigned just before the season started.


Also for those who are curious here is Zimmer's stats in the MJHL he is producing over a point/game (as he should be with major junior experience)

http://www.mjhlhockey.ca/stats/regular-season.html for some reason it doesn't link his actual player profile you have to click on the NEXT20 twice (if I figure it out ill post the proper link)
A link to a printable version of Waywayseecappo's stats is here. (http://mjhl.esportsdesk.com/leagues/stats_1team_hockey_print.cfm?leagueID=17735&clientID=4926&sortby=PTS1&teamID=410764&showGameType=2&sel_roster=active)

[chopper]

I understand what some guys are thinking about moving 20 year olds next season. In some instances we may be able to get a strong return, but a lot of that will depend on their numbers this year as 19 year olds. Their value will be entirely based on this season. The other thing we must consider and factor in is that we still need our allotment of three 20 year olds. Where do we get decent 20 year olds from? Give up draft picks to get them because we've traded ours away? Just saying it's something to think about.

The team wants to develop and prepare their own overage players. We've paid a high price to get 20 year olds because ours weren't up to grade. It seems counter productive to trade our good ones away next season, and then go out and give up picks to get some decent ones back! Rodewald is a pretty decent 20 year old and there are a few more like Zane Jones etc. At this point I would be surprised if anyone paid more than a 4th round pick for any of them. The extra value players like Klimchuk, Morrisey and others have is that there is always a possibility an NHL team could send them back to Jr. It's happened before.

[patsdude114]

You have to remember that Elmer almost made the team and was reassigned just before the season started.


A link to a printable version of Waywayseecappo's stats is here. (http://mjhl.esportsdesk.com/leagues/stats_1team_hockey_print.cfm?leagueID=17735&clientID=4926&sortby=PTS1&teamID=410764&showGameType=2&sel_roster=active)

Thanks for the link to Zimmer I couldn't figure it out for the life of me

As for the Elmer comment yes that did sort of slip my mind that he was 1 of the very last reassignments. Regardless I do hope that he sticks around this time and he has a chance to excel and gain confidence at the major junior level. I still would like to see Berg given a chance too

[RWAH]

my mistake

[crashnbang]

Thanks for the link to Zimmer I couldn't figure it out for the life of me

As for the Elmer comment yes that did sort of slip my mind that he was 1 of the very last reassignments. Regardless I do hope that he sticks around this time and he has a chance to excel and gain confidence at the major junior level. I still would like to see Berg given a chance too

Elmer isn't sticking around, he is up for experience then back to midget - too inexperienced for now and no room for the ice time he needs. If anyone has a chance of sticking around it could be Krushen as Reagan and Hansen barely see the ice any more.

[patsdude114]

Elmer isn't sticking around, he is up for experience then back to midget - too inexperienced for now and no room for the ice time he needs. If anyone has a chance of sticking around it could be Krushen as Reagan and Hansen barely see the ice any more.

That very well may be the case with Elmer but all I have ever said is 'I hope he sticks around' not once did I say he is sticking around.

Also your going to be seeing lots of Reagan and Hansen now as we are starting to get injuries. Hilsendager is out with a long term injury and still no return date set for Williams. Krushen will be put into a rotation with Reagan and perhaps Hansen.

[nivek_wahs]

Pats have also called up Nathyn Mortlock from Melville.

[patsdude114]

That's great we need some more defensive depth with some recent injuries, Mortlach looked very good during a call up last yeary being a year older now will be interesting to see what sort of progression he has had.

[witness]

Just some food for thought.

It is not the 2015 draft that the Pats need to stock pile more picks. It is the 2016. So that would be trading this year's 18 year olds to a contender. AS we know, our 18 year olds are below average and are not attractive to a contender. So next year all they will have is the younger guys and not much for trade bait.

I think if Klimchuk or Burroughs are dealt, it will be for serviceable 18 year olds and draft picks in the 2016 draft.

[chopper]

On the Pats website Elmer, Krushen, Mortlock all show up on the Pats active roster with numbers assigned. It's interesting they would put them on the roster if they were just short term call ups. With schooling issues it could suggest that they may be here longer.

[Bighat]

Witness that's what I've been saying, this years draft is fine. Great move by calling mortlach up I really think he will be a key dman the rest of this year and next.

[patsdude114]

The Pats had put Krushen on the roster during his last call up imo I think that's reading too far into things but hey never know, I for one hope all 3 stick around for the rest of the year..... I guess time will tell

As for the draft's comments yes this year's draft is fine but I see no problems at all if we can add a second 1st rd pick or even another 2nd round pick it just makes us have that much stronger of a draft in the long run. But with that said too I do think that with the assets we have this year when they are traded (whoever they may be) we will see some picks for next year being in the return.

For what it matters with my opinion in what I would like to see us get in a possible return for Klimchuk &/or Burroughs.... I would like to see another quality '98 to play with Steel and grow together to be our #1 line when they are 18/19, I would also like to see (1) '96 coming our way to compliment Brooks (since we all know how weak out 2011 draft was) and a couple draft picks in the 1st-3rd round range

I also get to get that type of return that most likely both players will have to be traded as I don't see 1 of them going for all that.

On a side note I cant wait til this trade deadline passes as im almost getting sick of talking about it lol sure its fun to think of the possible ingredients needed to move these types of players but damn it would be nice to be able to talk about something that has actually happened already lol

[Fight Guy]

On the Pats website Elmer, Krushen, Mortlock all show up on the Pats active roster with numbers assigned. It's interesting they would put them on the roster if they were just short term call ups.This may also be due to whoever is looking after the Pats site now a days. Seems like ever since the redesign, the site has been updated very regularly. More than I've ever seen. We might just be used to the site being updated sometimes rather than as things happen. I say this because if they are called up and are eligible to play all year, they would be considered a part of the active roster, call up or not. So they should be on the main roster page when called up.

I think this is another sign that the times are a changing in Patsville! I hardly used to look at the Pats site for info as it was often at least a few days behind, but this year things seem to be updated daily. Another nice change :)

[patsdude114]

This may also be due to whoever is looking after the Pats site now a days. Seems like ever since the redesign, the site has been updated very regularly. More than I've ever seen. We might just be used to the site being updated sometimes rather than as things happen. I say this because if they are called up and are eligible to play all year, they would be considered a part of the active roster, call up or not. So they should be on the main roster page when called up.

I think this is another sign that the times are a changing in Patsville! I hardly used to look at the Pats site for info as it was often at least a few days behind, but this year things seem to be updated daily. Another nice change :)

I agree with every point made in this post Fight Guy, and I do believe it is a direct fall back on the new ownership group. The Parker's stopped truly caring about the fans years ago which was a direct fall back on the website. You don't keep a website up to date cause its fun, you keep it up to date cause of the fans/interest in your product.

On a side note seeing that there is Second Half Season tickets available im very tempted to go buy a youth ticket for the rest of the year right beside me so no random person can sit beside me... its so annoying having a kid bouncing in the seat beside me... Yes im a grouch and im damn proud of it

[chopper]

Witness that's what I've been saying, this years draft is fine. Great move by calling mortlach up I really think he will be a key dman the rest of this year and next.

I'm a bit confused but I'll eventually figure it out.:) I may be wrong but what I take from Witnesses comment is that outside of Klimchuk and Burroughs, we don't have much to trade this time and even less next year. Our 96's are Brooks, Harrison and now Mortlock.

We won't have anything to trade next year to recoup 2016 picks. It needs to be done this year. The potential 20 year olds we may have next season will be needed for our team and won't be traded. At best we may have one available. That won't get the picks back.

Brooks may end up being a strong 20 year old in a couple years when we are supposed to be going for the brass ring. The jury may still be out on Harrison and Mortlock, who is yet unproven. At this point it may be a stretch to project them as impact guys.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Paddock incorporate a 96 born player and 2016 pick into any deal(s) he might make. He was handed a bit of a crap sandwich missing a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th over the course off two drafts. Now he needs to try to fix it.

[RWAH]

indulge me a little: As I have posted before the owners (QCS&E) are very interested to host the MCup in 2019. The WHL, for the 2016 selection, established a committee to evaluate the hockey talent on the bidding teams as the WHL does not want a repeat of the S'toon MCup. The MCup is a tournament of the top 18 & 19 year olds, Counting back from the 2018/19 season the 2014 picks will be 19 and the 2015 picks will be in their 18 year old season. With that in mind IMO the Pats will try to recoup and gain 2015 picks. The 2016 picks are still important, in 2019 they will be 17s and could be assets to trade if you need a few pieces.

[Bighat]

Interesting comments by the pats coaches tonite, they now feel with the way the teams playing they might have to change their game plan. Could this be a smoke screen, stay tuned for after Xmas. Also guys we don't know what next years draft class looks like, last years was one of the best 1st rounds in years. By the looks of our system we will have the players to play with steel. Elmer, berg, smith, cole, Wagner just to name a few. A couple of these guys didn't make the team this year do to numbers but there talented players getting special tine in the minors. Plus this last years draft with a good crop of 15 year olds. Boys were fine.