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Sput
02-24-2006, 11:09 AM
Friday, February 24, 2006





by JIM SWANSON Citizen Sports Editor

The Vancouver Giants have 14 losses in total this season, and five on the road.
Of those 14 losses, four have been the product of games with the Prince George Cougars. And for a Giants team with a .774 road winning percentage, the club is 'only' .500 in two games at CN Centre.

The makings of an upset? The Cougars sure hope so, or their dwindling playoff hopes could suffer a substantial blow with two swats by the Giants.

"The games we've had against them have been pretty good battles, and after the last one there were guys lying on the ice at the end because they were so tired (a 3-2 Cougars win in a Shaw-televised game on Jan. 31 at Pacific Coliseum in Vancouver)," said captain Myles Zimmer, his new mohawk hairstyle not about to get the attention of GQ editors.

"It's a divisional battle, and most of our divisional games this year have been like that, right down to the wire. This weekend's games are the biggest ones. For us, it has to be so we can get those four points. We've been up and down, we're on a down streak now, but we have to get out of it and peak going to the playoffs. If we play (Vancouver) in the first round, we want to make sure we let them know we'll be a tough opponent."

The task may be daunting, but it provides a perfect opportunity for the Cougars to send a message to the players they'd face should they hold off Kamloops and grab the final B.C. Division playoff spot. Kamloops has a one-point edge, but the Cats have two games in hand.

"We're 4-2 against Vancouver this year and have played pretty good against them - we probably have a better record against them than any other team in the league does against that team," said Cougars head coach Mike Vandekamp, his team struggling with just one win in the last nine games.

"We should have confidence. What better team to grab some points against and get ourselves into the playoffs than the team you'd end up playing when you get there. That could be a bit of a motivating factor."

The Giants haven't been in Prince George since the second weekend of October, and a lot has changed since then, on both sides. Vancouver general manager Scott Bonner has, as usual, retooled his team. Out went Keith Voytechek, Max Gordichuk, Scott Gabriel, Tommy Tartaglione and Luke Egener, replaced by Brendan Mikkelson, John Flatters and Tyson Sexsmith. Ex-Cougar Brett Parker, an overager, was added to the roster, but he won't be here this weekend because he's in playoffs with the SJHL's Melville Millionaires.

The Cougars have also made moves since the Giants were here last, unloading Mike Berube, Randy King, Ryan Kerr, Blair Stengler, Ryan Gillen, Josh Bray, Alex Alexandrov and Kris Deines. New to the roster in that time are Jared Walker, Kirk Meaver, Kalvin Sagert, Jesse Dudas and Curtis Patterson.

The playoff scenario has reached a critical stage. Take a peek back to Jan. 16, when the Cougars were nine points ahead of the Blazers for that final B.C. Division berth - since then, the Cats are 5-9-0-1, while Kamloops is 10-6-1-0. Both teams made their eastern swings in that period, the Blazers going 3-3, the Cougars slip-sliding to 1-4-0-1.

While the Cats face the WHL's best team this weekend, the Blazers are home to two inconsistent U.S. clubs - Portland tonight, Seattle on Saturday.

"If we start second-guessing ourselves, getting down on ourselves and pouting, we're just losing time," said Vandekamp.

"There's no time for that right now. We have to have a good practice, and look at some videotape and try to find some ways around our power play again. We have to stay positive and learn from our mistakes (in Wednesday's 3-2 loss to Portland)."

Jovorock
02-26-2006, 12:21 PM
But what Swanson doesn't say is that the Giants haven't addressed next years Mem Cup team. They will lose the two best assests in Brule and Fistric and will have to trade the future away like Regina did in 2001. Where have the Pats been since 01, in the toilet!

Big Daddy
02-26-2006, 12:38 PM
But what Swanson doesn't say is that the Giants haven't addressed next years Mem Cup team. They will lose the two best assests in Brule and Fistric and will have to trade the future away like Regina did in 2001. Where have the Pats been since 01, in the toilet!

Jovo, did you forget what we did without Brule and when Fistric was inured? You must be worried though about losing all those 19 year olds next year. ;)

Jovorock
02-26-2006, 12:56 PM
Jovo, did you forget what we did without Brule and when Fistric was inured? You must be worried though about losing all those 19 year olds next year. ;)
I'm not worried at all, Kelowna is on a four year run. No one has done that since the New Westminster Bruins did. The Rockets will be retooling next year and will have to do it with a very young team.

We all know it is coming so we don't need you to advise us :confused:

Don't even talk about injuries, Kelowna has had alot more injuries than the Giants this year and we never used it as a excuse like you are!

I just hope you don't imbarest the WHL with a bad showing in the Memorial Cup?

Big Daddy
02-26-2006, 01:02 PM
I'm not worried at all, Kelowna is on a four year run. No one has done that since the New Westminster Bruins did. The Rockets will be retooling next year and will have to do it with a very young team.

We all know it is coming so we don't need you to advise us :confused:

Don't even talk about injuries, Kelowna has had alot more injuries than the Giants this year and we never used it as a excuse like you are!

I just hope you don't imbarest the WHL with a bad showing in the Memorial Cup?
Still didn't answer what we've done without Brule and Fistric. :)

Beaner
02-26-2006, 01:22 PM
But what Swanson doesn't say is that the Giants haven't addressed next years Mem Cup team. They will lose the two best assests in Brule and Fistric and will have to trade the future away like Regina did in 2001. Where have the Pats been since 01, in the toilet!

Meh Im not worried. Giants are going to lose as many players as any other team in the WHL next year, and considering we played very well the 1st half without Brule around we should be fine.

Jovorock
02-26-2006, 01:25 PM
Still didn't answer what we've done without Brule and Fistric. :)
Take Brule out of the discussion, this is junior hockey and if he is up with the NHL then the WHL is doing their jobs. Should the Rockets complain that we don't have Weber? Were all glad that he is gone and will finish the rest of the year with Nashville and hopefully the playoffs. The Rockets have done their job in getting him to the next stage, that's what junior hockey is here for.

Brule shouldn't of been with Columbus this year, he's too small and not tough enough and it showed with his injuries. He has no where near the strength compared to Crosby.

You were without Fistric and Brule, so what! Every other team has been without their stars at one point. Kelowna had Spurgeon and Darzins out until mid and late December with shoulder surgery. At one point Kelowna had seven players out with injuries, did we complain like you are?

No I thought it was a great chance for the 16 & 17 year olds to get valuable ice time, and they did. This year injuries will make next years team better.

Quit complaining about Fistric and Brule, your lucky Brule even came back!

N.W. Bruin
02-26-2006, 06:11 PM
Take Brule out of the discussion, this is junior hockey and if he is up with the NHL then the WHL is doing their jobs. Should the Rockets complain that we don't have Weber? Were all glad that he is gone and will finish the rest of the year with Nashville and hopefully the playoffs. The Rockets have done their job in getting him to the next stage, that's what junior hockey is here for.

Brule shouldn't of been with Columbus this year, he's too small and not tough enough and it showed with his injuries. He has no where near the strength compared to Crosby.

You were without Fistric and Brule, so what! Every other team has been without their stars at one point. Kelowna had Spurgeon and Darzins out until mid and late December with shoulder surgery. At one point Kelowna had seven players out with injuries, did we complain like you are?

No I thought it was a great chance for the 16 & 17 year olds to get valuable ice time, and they did. This year injuries will make next years team better.

Quit complaining about Fistric and Brule, your lucky Brule even came back!


Brule being only a 19 year old next season means it is the NHL or junior. He cannot play in the AHL like Weber. That said the Giants were in first place when he came back. No need to worry about next year's Giants team as they likely lose only the overagers (Bartley, Albers and Parker) and a couple of their 19s likely Fistric and Festerling though Slade may not be back as well leaving a opening for a overage player as May and likely Scharff are the only two definite returnees. Bouma has shown well as a 15 year old. Machacek likely is Bartley's replacement for next season. Brule if gone well so be it but if back to finish off the junior career great. Lamb, Kraus, Machachek, Repik and Franson could all hit 20+ goals next season as all have done it this season except for Franson who will not and Machacek who should still get to 20. Hopefully Mikkelson will replace Albers' point total and the prospects Molle, Regner and Deck should fill the lower end positions on the defence fine.

langdak
02-26-2006, 07:42 PM
I'm not worried at all, Kelowna is on a four year run. No one has done that since the New Westminster Bruins did. The Rockets will be retooling next year and will have to do it with a very young team.

We all know it is coming so we don't need you to advise us :confused:

Don't even talk about injuries, Kelowna has had alot more injuries than the Giants this year and we never used it as a excuse like you are!

I just hope you don't imbarest the WHL with a bad showing in the Memorial Cup?

What the hell does "imbarest" mean?

and no we will not EMBARRASS the whl, but thanks for your concern :thumb:

Section_Z
03-03-2006, 09:42 AM
I think you felas forgot you are in the PG forum, on a thread subject of a PG Citizen article....
If you want to criticize Jovo it should be for his own Journalism critique.
" But what Swanson doesn't say is that the Giants haven't addressed next years Mem Cup team."

The article had nothing to do with the Memorial cup....I'd say that's why Swanson didn't mention next years' Giants prospects....
Oh, and hark, Swanson writes for the local PG paper, perhaps that is why he didn't spend half the article talking about the future of the opposing team...
He also didn't mention anything about the Rockets...good on him...the article was about a head to head game day comparision of PG and Van...
Don't get me wrong, mind you, I think Swanson deserves a little critiquing...mostly on the "Bonner retooling his team" comment....Where did that come from? The Giants have made the fewest moves ever this year.
And someone should tell him that Tartaglione is still in the system, and that Sexsmith was slated to be the back up all season....
Seems to me, although I have done no research on the subject, from the number of players mentioned in PG trades in the article, that in fact PG has done a bit of "retooling" this season...
Anyway Jovo, if you want to blow your own horn..."I'm not worried at all, Kelowna is on a four year run. No one has done that since the New Westminster Bruins did. The Rockets will be retooling next year and will have to do it with a very young team."
Go do it in your own Forum...that's my critique...

Bran
03-03-2006, 01:38 PM
But what Swanson doesn't say is that the Giants haven't addressed next years Mem Cup team. They will lose the two best assests in Brule and Fistric and will have to trade the future away like Regina did in 2001. Where have the Pats been since 01, in the toilet!
I don't think the Giants have anything to worry about next year. They were doing great before Brule came back, they've done just fine with many of their best players out the last little while. I don't think they have much to be concerned about.

As for the Pats...in the 01-02 season they finished in a tie with Brandon for 1st in the east. The next three years were bad, but most Pats fans would argue that was due, in a big part, to bad management and poor attitudes. The Pats had more than a few good players walk out or demand trades in those three years. They may not have finished on top, but they would have been in decent shape. And the Pats are doing just fine right now...for the first time since the Memorial Cup, I think the problems that they do have are due to inexperience. In the past, age may have played a part in it, but it wasn't their biggest problem. And I don't think that's something Vancouver will have to worry about.