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Some_Arrogant_Jerk
07-23-2006, 09:16 PM
20 year olds(already decided)

Kyle Deck (most likely captain)
Garrett Festerling (A)
Kyle Ross (A)

19 year olds

Petr Kalus(IMO most likely coming back)
David Reekie
.....Derek Reinhart
Justin Scott(from rebels trade)
Michael Senseman

18 year olds

Logan Pyett (possible A)
Craig Schira(also a possible A)
Ian Duval
Ryan Mcdonald
Levi Lind
Niko Snellman(Euro draft)
Michael Juola(American Draft)

17 and unders

Linden Rowat
Nick Ross
Brett Leffler
Jason Macdonald
Colten Teubert

Gone: Jordan Fuder (gone to Jr.A) Josh Fauth,Tyson Sievert, Matt Macdermott, Martin Hanzel(doesnt really count)

Someone post any others if I missed anyone. maybe possible 16 or 15 year olds, because I really dont have any idea who possible under 16 pats prospects are.

Also, could someone (perhaps a rebels fan) tell me something about this justin scott kid?

SectionNDeserter
07-23-2006, 11:03 PM
Also, could someone (perhaps a rebels fan) tell me something about this justin scott kid?He has pretty good speed, blocks shots pretty good and puts a lot of pressure on the point men on the penalty kill, unfortunately he has the scoring touch and hands of David Kaczowka or he would be a pretty well-rounded player. At the very worst, you got a penalty killing specialist.

nivek_wahs
07-24-2006, 04:38 AM
Someone post any others if I missed anyone.

You forgot Justin Bernhardt in the 18 year olds... :thumb:

nivek_wahs
07-24-2006, 05:10 AM
Here are other players that were/are around in the Pats organization. If the player is actually still listed or not... I dunno (I know I most likely missed some :laugh: )...

Other Pats possibles...
Spencer Fraipont D (18)
Scott Brownlee LW (19)
Matt Delahey D (17)
Derek Hulak LW (17)
Bradyn Metz C (16)

Prospects/Long shots to make the 2006-07 team...
Jeff Bosch G (16)
Matt D'Orazio G (16)
Dru Cotterill D (16)
Curtis Kulchar D (16)
Stefan Schneider D (17)
Jeff Wright D (17)
Kyle St. Denis FWD (16)
Brent Raedeke FWD (16)

Uncertain about status...
Ryan Neiszner G (18)

Number_4
07-24-2006, 01:14 PM
Depending on how things play out at camp, its gonna be tough for some of the younger players to make the team. We have a pretty solid group of returning players, and imo, very few returning players are on the bubble.

On D, we have returning
Pyett
Reinhart
Nick Ross
Schira
-Room for Teubert, Delahney for sure... others?

Forwards returning
bernhardt
Duval
Festerling
Deck (could me moved back to D)
Klaus (50/50 chance)
Leffler
Lind
Jason MacDonald
Ryan McDonald (?- spot could be taken by a rookie)
Kyle Ross
Sensmen
Scott
- Thats 12 returning, not including Snellmen and Joula (import drafts). Possible rookies include: Hulak or Metz

Goal
Reekie- starter
backup is for grabs. Rowat, Neiszer (?), or one of the 16 year olds.

Overall, I dont forsee any major shakeups, yet I just dont know... I want the rookies to get a chance, but I'm not sure how much room there is for them, especially for the forwards.

Any thoughts/ corrections?

Some_Arrogant_Jerk
07-24-2006, 05:55 PM
Depending on how things play out at camp, its gonna be tough for some of the younger players to make the team. We have a pretty solid group of returning players, and imo, very few returning players are on the bubble.....


.....Overall, I dont forsee any major shakeups, yet I just dont know... I want the rookies to get a chance, but I'm not sure how much room there is for them, especially for the forwards.

Any thoughts/ corrections?


Instead of Ryan Mcdonald being moved, I think it would be best for Jason Macdonald to be sent down to the minors temporarily, just like they did to Ryan last year. It could be best for him, he would get more playing time and experience.

Also im pretty sure rowat will be the backup next year, he is nearly as good as reekie. With some more experience, he could become starter. And I never heard anything of kyle deck going to offence, he will most likely stick to defence in his final dub year.

Im thinking the lineups could go something like this near the beginning of the season ( Im probably not even close )

Bernhardt (88)- Festerling(86) - Duval(88)
Mcdonald(88) - K.Ross(86)- Senseman(87)
Hulak(88) - Lind(88) - Leffler(89)
Brownlee(87) -Metz(90) - Scott(88)


Schira(88) - N. Ross(89)
Pyett(88) - Deck(86)
Teubert(90) - Delahey(89)
Reinhart(87)- Fraipont(88)

Reekie(87)
Rowat(89)

If Kalus comes back, he would most likely move into the starting line up, reuniting last years 2nd line. Im thinking 2 or 3 months into the season he might come back.

Number_4
07-24-2006, 07:14 PM
The Pats site has Deck on Left Wing, which is why I had him in my forwards lineup. I know that his natural position is D, but they were giving him time up front too last season. I think that he probebly will go back onto defense, but he is one of those players that could play anywhere.
As for Klaus, who knows... perhaps one of the 16 year olds could take his roster spot until he gets back, if he gets back... that is prolly the best case senerio for now, until we know whats going on for sure.
I think I got the MacDonald/ Mc Donald boys mixed up... thanks for correcting me on that... I had it same way you do on the paper I was fiddling around with... of course, cant type it out right.... figures...lol.

nivek_wahs
07-25-2006, 01:50 AM
The Pats site has Deck on Left Wing, which is why I had him in my forwards lineup. I know that his natural position is D, but they were giving him time up front too last season. I think that he probebly will go back onto defense, but he is one of those players that could play anywhere.


The Deck as a Left Wing was a 2005-06 pre-season experiment and it didn't last long. He played the regular season paired mostly with Logan Pyett. They just neglected to change the Pats websiteas it was like that all season long.

nivek_wahs
07-25-2006, 02:13 AM
My thoughts for possible Pats' lines:

Without Kalus...

Forwards:
(LW-C-RW)
Niko Snellman (88)-Kyle Ross (86)-Garrett Festerling (86)
Ryan McDonald (88)-Ian Duval (88)-Justin Bernhardt (88)
Justin Scott (87)-Levi Lind (88)-Brett Leffler (89)
Scott Brownlee (87)-Jason MacDonald (89)-Michael Senseman (87)

Possibilites to crack the lineup:
Forwards- Derek Hulak (89), Brayden Metz (90), Michael Juola (88), Kyle St. Denis (90), Brent Raedeke (90).

Defence:
Kyle Deck (86)-Logan Pyett (88)
Nick Ross (89)-Craig Schira (88)
Derek Reinhart (87)-Colten Teubert (90)

Possibilities to crack the lineup:
Spencer Fraipont (88), Matt Delahey (89), Dru Cotterill (90), Curtis Kulchar (90), Stefan Schneider (89), Jeff Wright (89)

Goalies:
David Reekie (87)
Linden Rowat (89)

Possibilities to crack the lineup:
Jeff Bosch (90), Matt D'Orazio (90), Ryan Nieszner (88)

With Kalus...

But... if/when (hoping) Kalus comes back... I think it would bump one of the 3rd or 4th liners out of the lineup...

Kalus-K.Ross-Festerling
Smellman-Duval-Bernhardt
McDonald-Lind-Leffler
Scott-MacDonald-Senseman
Brownlee

I would guess that the 3rd and 4th lines might vary from game to game... guys will rotate in and out of the lineup (kinda like last year)...

wango tango
07-25-2006, 02:19 PM
My thoughts for possible Pats' lines:

Without Kalus...

Forwards:
(LW-C-RW)
Niko Snellman (88)-Kyle Ross (86)-Garrett Festerling (86)
Ryan McDonald (88)-Ian Duval (88)-Justin Bernhardt (88)
Justin Scott (87)-Levi Lind (88)-Brett Leffler (89)
Scott Brownlee (87)-Jason MacDonald (89)-Michael Senseman (87)

Possibilites to crack the lineup:
Forwards- Derek Hulak (89), Brayden Metz (90), Michael Juola (88), Kyle St. Denis (90), Brent Raedeke (90).

Defence:
Kyle Deck (86)-Logan Pyett (88)
Nick Ross (89)-Craig Schira (88)
Derek Reinhart (87)-Colten Teubert (90)

Possibilities to crack the lineup:
Spencer Fraipont (88), Matt Delahey (89), Dru Cotterill (90), Curtis Kulchar (90), Stefan Schneider (89), Jeff Wright (89)

Goalies:
David Reekie (87)
Linden Rowat (89)

Possibilities to crack the lineup:
Jeff Bosch (90), Matt D'Orazio (90), Ryan Nieszner (88)

With Kalus...

But... if/when (hoping) Kalus comes back... I think it would bump one of the 3rd or 4th liners out of the lineup...

Kalus-K.Ross-Festerling
Smellman-Duval-Bernhardt
McDonald-Lind-Leffler
Scott-MacDonald-Senseman
Brownlee

I would guess that the 3rd and 4th lines might vary from game to game... guys will rotate in and out of the lineup (kinda like last year)...

defense will definately be the pats strength this season. the forwards look solid with or without kalus. normally 19 year olds have to return to junior if they are not in the nhl, but because of a european loop**** kalus can play in the ahl. i'd expect him to play the year on the bruins farm team. if the pats can score enough goals they will be very tough to beat.

regina is my pre-season favourite to win the division and conference.

T-Bone
07-25-2006, 03:53 PM
Forwards:
(LW-C-RW)
Niko Snellman (88)-Kyle Ross (86)-Garrett Festerling (86)
Ryan McDonald (88)-Ian Duval (88)-Justin Bernhardt (88)
Justin Scott (87)-Levi Lind (88)-Brett Leffler (89)
Scott Brownlee (87)-Jason MacDonald (89)-Michael Senseman (87)

Possibilites to crack the lineup:
Forwards- Derek Hulak (89), Brayden Metz (90), Michael Juola (88), Kyle St. Denis (90), Brent Raedeke (90).




There is no way the Pats (or any team) will have three 19 year olds sucking up minutes on the bottom two lines. If Scott, Senseman or Brownlee can't show that any one of them deserve to be a top 6 forward, they will be skating around in a Jr A rink by Christmas and someone like Jordan Eberle will get there icetime.

Bernhardt is Line 1 material. Snellman, at best, is going to be on the second line. Juola is going to have a better shot at being a pro surfer than a WHL player.

agent
07-25-2006, 04:33 PM
This guy knows what he is talking about :thumb:

nivek_wahs
07-25-2006, 08:10 PM
There is no way the Pats (or any team) will have three 19 year olds sucking up minutes on the bottom two lines. If Scott, Senseman or Brownlee can't show that any one of them deserve to be a top 6 forward, they will be skating around in a Jr A rink by Christmas and someone like Jordan Eberle will get there icetime. I agree... As I am unaware of actually who is listed or not (rookies); I made the lines as to who was already "part of the team"... Last year the Pats used 2 19 year olds on the "3rd/4th" line in Fuder and Sievert... O well... As I am unsure of what Hunt/Perkins/Parker is looking for in their 3 and 4 lines (or any of their lines) I put the 19 year olds there.


Bernhardt is Line 1 material. I also agree... I was basing my "1st" line with who would fit with Festerling and K. Ross... and Bernhardt seemed to perform well whe playing along side of Duval.


Snellman, at best, is going to be on the second line. Juola is going to have a better shot at being a pro surfer than a WHL player. Seeing that no one seems to know too much about these two guys I pencilled in Snellman as a sure fire bet to make the team and be a top line guy (1st or 2nd line)... for how long who knows? Look at Ivo Kratena and Kamil Vavra a few years back... they were starters and ended up being "spare parts" (Vavra was cut). Juola I have no info about... but I put him on the list as a who knows if he will make the team or not (or even show up).

But what do I know... :spineyes:

Some_Arrogant_Jerk
07-26-2006, 01:25 AM
I also agree... I was basing my "1st" line with who would fit with Festerling and K. Ross... and Bernhardt seemed to perform well whe playing along side of Duval.

Seeing that no one seems to know too much about these two guys I pencilled in Snellman as a sure fire bet to make the team and be a top line guy (1st or 2nd line)... for how long who knows? Look at Ivo Kratena and Kamil Vavra a few years back... they were starters and ended up being "spare parts" (Vavra was cut). Juola I have no info about... but I put him on the list as a who knows if he will make the team or not (or even show up).

But what do I know... :spineyes:

Im thinking the 1st and 2nd lines could be more balanced. If Bernhardt plays well with speedy players like Duval, put them both with with a guy like Festerling, who can feed them a pass from just about anywhere. Ross could center the second line with Mcdonald and a physical player like Snellman, making 2 balanced scoring lines. Scouts have said Snellman is supposed to be a very physical player, or quoted as "a wrecking ball", but he can also make good passes and can help out offensivly too. Besides, he has gotta be good if he got drafted 105th overall in 4th round.

If Kalus comes back, Duval could easily move down into second line, bumping Snellman to 3rd line, making 2nd line a very fast paced, quick passing line, and putting together last years 2nd (maybe most productive) line as the starting lineup.

As for the 3rd line, Lind could center Senseman, who I think should do alot better this year, and Leffler, who will add a physical presense to the line. We have all seen what this kid can do, despite him being only 16 at the time. (just turned 17). He also has good hands for a guy this size, and i could see him scoring goals along with huge hits. For the 4th line, Brownlee, our goon, could go with the newcomer scott, and maybe a prospect like metz or hulak. I have not really seen much of any of the guys from the 4th line. Im also not sure where Juola fits in here though, he is a small speedy playermaker with good hockey sense, though I cant see him getting 1st line. I could see him possibly take ryan mcdonalds place as the best possible situation for him.

Should be an exciting season this year either way you look at it. We might actually pass the first round this year :thumb: :laugh:

nivek_wahs
07-26-2006, 02:18 AM
Im thinking the 1st and 2nd lines could be more balanced. Seriously, I ain't gonna argue or anything with anyone but how do we balance the first 2 lines with only 4 forwards in double-digit goals returning from last year (assuming Kalus is not back)?

Ross with 25 is our leading returning goal scorer. Festerling and Bernhardt had 22 each and Duval had 11. Assuming these guys step up and score as many or more (hopefully way more) the top 2 lines could be mixed and matched with a rookie or 2 or one of the younger vets. It seemed as tho Hunt liked to juggle parts of lines at varying points in games and would stick to his guns for a while and then go and change them up yet again.

Thinking it over... With that being said the "3rd and 4th" lines could be really mixed up... depending on which direction the Pats go. I like the combo of Lind and Leffler as a 3rd line contingent with a left winger (R. McDonald, Scott, Brownlee or a rookie Eberle, Hulak or whomever). They are decent checkers and are not afraid to toss 'em.

The "4th" line is to me is really up in the air. I would agree that if the Pats were to use three 19 year-olds as checkers that wouldn't last very long. So I think there will be a 19 year-old battle amongst Senseman, Brownlee and Scott with only 2 making it. But back to the "4th" line thoughts... I like having Jason MacDonald playing there and working his way up the depth chart and maybe busting out over time. But the remaining contingent could be made up of rookies. Also with that... Maybe MacDonald could be the 3rd line centre with Lind and Leffler as his wingmen? That would leave Scott as 4th line centre (his position is a C) where he can help the younger guys (rookies) out and make them into decent WHLers, maybe.

Hopefully Kalus returns and then the lines can yet again be juggled and... Yay life can be happy no matter what the lines look like :D .
But what do I know... :dead:

Number_4
07-26-2006, 12:25 PM
The last two posters have made some pretty good points... but until I see people during training camp, Im gonna hold back from coming up with possible line combinations... its fun, I will admit... but Im often so far off base, it just isnt worth it.

Some observations tho...
1. training camp tells all. Players can show up overweight, out of shape, etc... and rookies can shine, and make an impact on the coaches
2. Coaches have final say, and often, I may question them, but they do know what they are doing...most of the time
3. Pats have a very good core returning group, but like Nivek said, there isnt much returning scoring. Look for a rookie or 2nd year to really step up- or we're done for
4. While I dont see many rookies cracking the line-up full time, look for them lots in pre-season games, the tourny in S'toon and perhaps rotating in/out of the lineup
5.Anyone know the date that rookie camp starts this year???????????
6. Line-juggling... I hate to say it, but while we need Klaus, his coming back could hurt us... and before you jump on me for saying this, let me finish. If we get the top 2 or 3 lines producing well... why change things when he returns? Put him on the line that needs help... but dont mess up a good thing!!
7. Anyone know the dates camp starts???? PLEASE????????
8. Camp? I'll be there... look for the chick wearing whlfans gear.... if its in Lumsden, chances are I'll be inside the rink...

I think im done... open to debates now... lol....

patsdude114
07-26-2006, 10:41 PM
a few weeks ago i was reading in the Boston Bruins website on a artcile when they signed Kalus to that deal.... in there they had said under the new collective agreement with the NHL/NHLPA he will either be in the NHL or be sent back to junior to Regina..... from reading in the regina newspaper i had to question what i just read on the Bruins website...lone be hold the LeaderPost was dead wrong i got a email back from the Bruins the nexted day reguarding my question and the Bruins said Kalus will either be with the Bruins or on the Pats since he isnt elgible to play in the AHL nexted season until the Pats are knocked out for the season/playoffs...

nivek_wahs
07-27-2006, 01:55 AM
The last two posters have made some pretty good points... but until I see people during training camp, Im gonna hold back from coming up with possible line combinations... its fun, I will admit... but Im often so far off base, it just isnt worth it.

It's fun trying to play GM/Coach :thumb: . I guess thats why they are our "roster thoughts." My line combo's were "critiqued" as I was expecting them to be. I guess that's why we are fans. You should give the line's thing a shot and later in the year you can look back to see how accurate your thoughts were/are (I plan on doing just that) :laugh: .

patsfan33
08-06-2006, 08:07 PM
5.Anyone know the date that rookie camp starts this year???????????


August 28th... :groovy:

nivek_wahs
08-06-2006, 08:15 PM
August 28th... :groovy:

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything but I have been in contact with a member of the Pats staff and have been told that Rookie Camp starts Wednesday August 30th. The times have not been set as they are still waiting confirmations from some players. Main Camp will follow (Most likely Friday Sept. 1).

patsfan33
08-06-2006, 08:33 PM
hahaha...well i have quite a reliable source as well.... communication amoungst our club isn't going too well i guess...lol....ah well the two dates give us an idea anyway

Number_4
08-06-2006, 10:19 PM
Hows this... we'll arrive for camp on the 28th, and bring our sleeping bags so if its not till the 30th, we can be first in the doors when they open camp... who's all in? lol....

I need hockey!

nivek_wahs
08-10-2006, 03:45 PM
Haha... Just got a letter in the mail and it says Rookie Camp starts Thursday August 31 and Main Camp is set to start Sunday September 3. With the Blue & White game set for Wednesday September 6 @ 7 PM cost is $5. All in Lumsden.

Now we know for sure :p

patsfan33
08-10-2006, 10:32 PM
pfff...apparently our sources like to lie..not cool...anyway i too got the same little letter...good to know...i'm countin' down the days already..can't wait!

Some_Arrogant_Jerk
08-11-2006, 12:30 AM
I love my summer holidays so despite how much I love watching the dub, I could wait a while longer before the season starts :)

nivek_wahs
08-11-2006, 02:36 AM
pfff...apparently our sources like to lie..not cool...anyway i too got the same little letter...good to know...i'm countin' down the days already..can't wait!

Lie is harsh... maybe they just hadn't set the exact date yet... :p :laugh: