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rinkrat
10-18-2006, 04:32 PM
intersesting article from Kamloops that I found posted on the Chiefs fan forum.
Some pot shots taken at Toigo.I guess he's a bad guy for wanting his players to look classy at the Memorial Cup.



From Kamloops This Week





Thwack! The rules change



By RICK WILE
Oct 15 2006


I had an interesting chat with WHL commissioner Ron Robison this past week after governors met in Calgary to conduct business resulting in some tweaks - and a big thwack.

The league's two-man referee system went from 40 per cent to 50 per cent, meaning 378 games in the 756- game regular-season schedule and all of the playoffs will have two guys on the ice wearing red armbands.

The move to 50 per cent results in about 75 more regular-season games and the playoffs under the two-man system.

Another tweak is the advent of a video-editing studio at league headquarters, with immediate access to every game for reviewing the work of officials and the ability to have footage available for all discipline cases.

The third tweak is the movement by the league forcing the umbrella organization, the Canadian Hockey League, to have a written constitution in place to guard against repeating a situation this past summer, which had the Ontario Hockey League's Owen Sound Attack violate unwritten guidelines by signing Trevor Lewis from WHL recruiting territory in Utah.

That was only round one.

The WHL goes to a CHL meeting in mid-November questioning the CHL structure.

The "thwack" is interesting as the WHL took steps to ensure a level playing field and maintain a competitive balance among its 21, and soon to be 22, teams.

It's major junior hockey's version of a salary cap, called a "spending guideline", to give teams equal footing.

We saw it in the WHL playoffs last spring when the Vancouver Giants were denied the chance to fly back and forth to Prince George in their first-round series because both teams wouldn't be flying.

Then, after winning the league title, team owner Ron Toigo got his knuckles rapped for buying clothing for each of his players before going to the Memorial Cup.

The publicity generated by the move was seen as giving the team an unfair advantage, in the eyes of some, in possible future recruiting.

There are also safeguards in place outlining what teams can give players in the recruiting game.

Gone is the gentleman's agreement, in favor of a legally binding document to protect small-market teams from possible outrageous spending sprees by big-market teams.

Controls are down in writing, with member teams signing the document.

Breaching the agreement, according to Robison, will result in fines and a loss of high draft picks.

It's all nice in theory, but catching perpetrators is akin to chasing a ghost. You know it's there, it just slips through your fingers every time you get close.

Toigo has also been a target of speculation during his time in the league for sweetening the pot for players, starting with skilled forward Brent Ascroft when Toigo owned Tri-Cities, to the 2004/2005 Vancouver Giants when the perk cupboard was full for the likes of Czech goaltender Marek Schwarz, Slovakian defenceman Andrei Meszaros and Canadian phenom Gilbert Brule.

Then there were the days when perks were commonplace in the league.

Brian Shaw, the late owner of the Portland Winter Hawks, was demanding in the 1980s, but renown for his generosity, offering players extra cash and trips to Hawaii based on performance during the heyday of the Hawks.

He probably wouldn't think much of today's WHL landscape, but then again, he would probably find a way around it.

Now, it's a matter of not getting caught.

Rick Wile is sports director at Radio 'NL

GF71
10-18-2006, 05:08 PM
This suit thing is getting pretty old... :rolleyes:

Jake
10-18-2006, 05:35 PM
intersesting article from Kamloops that I found posted on the Chiefs fan forum.
Some pot shots taken at Toigo.I guess he's a bad guy for wanting his players to look classy at the Memorial Cup.



From Kamloops This Week





Thwack! The rules change



By RICK WILE
Oct 15 2006


I had an interesting chat with WHL commissioner Ron Robison this past week after governors met in Calgary to conduct business resulting in some tweaks - and a big thwack.

The league's two-man referee system went from 40 per cent to 50 per cent, meaning 378 games in the 756- game regular-season schedule and all of the playoffs will have two guys on the ice wearing red armbands.

The move to 50 per cent results in about 75 more regular-season games and the playoffs under the two-man system.

Another tweak is the advent of a video-editing studio at league headquarters, with immediate access to every game for reviewing the work of officials and the ability to have footage available for all discipline cases.

The third tweak is the movement by the league forcing the umbrella organization, the Canadian Hockey League, to have a written constitution in place to guard against repeating a situation this past summer, which had the Ontario Hockey League's Owen Sound Attack violate unwritten guidelines by signing Trevor Lewis from WHL recruiting territory in Utah.

That was only round one.

The WHL goes to a CHL meeting in mid-November questioning the CHL structure.

The "thwack" is interesting as the WHL took steps to ensure a level playing field and maintain a competitive balance among its 21, and soon to be 22, teams.

It's major junior hockey's version of a salary cap, called a "spending guideline", to give teams equal footing.

We saw it in the WHL playoffs last spring when the Vancouver Giants were denied the chance to fly back and forth to Prince George in their first-round series because both teams wouldn't be flying.

Then, after winning the league title, team owner Ron Toigo got his knuckles rapped for buying clothing for each of his players before going to the Memorial Cup.

The publicity generated by the move was seen as giving the team an unfair advantage, in the eyes of some, in possible future recruiting.

There are also safeguards in place outlining what teams can give players in the recruiting game.

Gone is the gentleman's agreement, in favor of a legally binding document to protect small-market teams from possible outrageous spending sprees by big-market teams.

Controls are down in writing, with member teams signing the document.

Breaching the agreement, according to Robison, will result in fines and a loss of high draft picks.

It's all nice in theory, but catching perpetrators is akin to chasing a ghost. You know it's there, it just slips through your fingers every time you get close.

Toigo has also been a target of speculation during his time in the league for sweetening the pot for players, starting with skilled forward Brent Ascroft when Toigo owned Tri-Cities, to the 2004/2005 Vancouver Giants when the perk cupboard was full for the likes of Czech goaltender Marek Schwarz, Slovakian defenceman Andrei Meszaros and Canadian phenom Gilbert Brule.

Then there were the days when perks were commonplace in the league.

Brian Shaw, the late owner of the Portland Winter Hawks, was demanding in the 1980s, but renown for his generosity, offering players extra cash and trips to Hawaii based on performance during the heyday of the Hawks.

He probably wouldn't think much of today's WHL landscape, but then again, he would probably find a way around it.

Now, it's a matter of not getting caught.

Rick Wile is sports director at Radio 'NL


Any further detail on the Lewis signing and what the resolution is going to be? Who in the WHL had him on their list?

rinkrat
10-18-2006, 05:51 PM
This suit thing is getting pretty old... :rolleyes:

Hard to believe buying the boys Armani suits after they qualify for the Memorial Cup is a "recruitment tool"
I mean,how many teams can say "come play for us,we will buy you a suit this year when we go to the MC"?
Maybe the Giants shouldn't have been host for this years tournament,they were clearly trying to use that as a tool to recruit Bertram and Kyle Turris. :spineyes:
Next problem will be the training facility they built!

dj-kris
10-18-2006, 07:33 PM
Well look at it this way go to a community run team like swift current where you pretty much have to return your track suit after the season or a team where you travel in style and are "taken care of" pretty nice recruiting tool

Big Daddy
10-18-2006, 08:17 PM
Pft, so hockey is life and life is not fair. It's hard to believe that grown adults, let alone anyone over 10 does not understand this. Get over it small market teams.

dj-kris
10-18-2006, 09:31 PM
Thats an easy thing to say when your team is on the higher side of the market



ps whats a thwack

Big Daddy
10-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Well there are a lot of small market teams that win it all in their given sports and winning is the goal, period. Ask the Yankees what their high payroll and perks have got them recently. The perks are nice but meaningless as most kids have no say in where they play. The game is hockey and that is what the kids and teams want to excel at. The road may be a little bumpier for a small market team but this has never stopped a team from success.

dondo
10-18-2006, 10:25 PM
a thwack is that smack sound as you are struck up-side the head as a reprimand. hey dj-kris >>> THWACK!! :D

I suppose it levels the playing field so to speak, but some of the rules seem a tad petty, and also sometimes a suit is just a suit - didn't Ron personally pay for those - not the team?

However the swift current example is valid and amusing at the same time.

oh and Jake do me a favour and don't quote the whole first post -- if there's something in there you want to comment on snip the middle bits you don't want -- thanks.

N.W. Bruin
10-19-2006, 12:13 AM
Any further detail on the Lewis signing and what the resolution is going to be? Who in the WHL had him on their list?


And Spokane had him on their list.

dondo
10-19-2006, 05:09 PM
seems rather gutless of the CHL to allow that imo -- if Lewis is in the Dub's territory then the OHL should have no claim on him what-so-ever -- full stop, end of discussion. Seems greatly wishy-washy for them to allow that to stand.

I mean if they can't enforce the rules already there, what makes anybody think they are going to enforce the new ones??

Big Daddy
10-19-2006, 07:26 PM
seems rather gutless of the CHL to allow that imo -- if Lewis is in the Dub's territory then the OHL should have no claim on him what-so-ever -- full stop, end of discussion. Seems greatly wishy-washy for them to allow that to stand.

I mean if they can't enforce the rules already there, what makes anybody think they are going to enforce the new ones??

It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.