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    Quote Originally Posted by canes77 View Post
    Looks like the Canes have "earned" two picks in the top 4 overall. Having Regina's 1st Rd pick as well, this is a pretty good consolation prize for giving up the incomplete Carter Ashton. Hopefully the scouting staff has done their homework. I noticed in The Hockey News that Klimchuk is the highest ranked player from the West for that age group! Hopefully Merkley is just as worthy down the road since both were in ISS's Top 10 WHL Rankings last spring, as seen below.

    Here is an early top 10 list for this year's upcoming WHL draft based on the ISS Rankings (as well as 2009 and 2010 lists for comparison). They seem accurate since they ranked Forsberg first last year and Dumba first the year before. Most of us would agree with those choices. In 2010, the Canes impressively selected 4 of the top 30 guys!

    Wow do I feel very old when I see 1996 born kids being drafted... ha ha

    2011 List
    NAME POS DOB S HT WT TEAM LEAGUE
    1. Oleksyn, Braden LW 2/22/96 L 5.10 170 Beardy’s SMHL
    2. Simpson, Riley C 7/23/96 L 5.09.5 140 SSAC AMBHL
    3. Pankewicz, Kord LD 2/3/96 L 5.10 169 Leduc AMBHL
    4. Duke, Reid C 1/28/96 L 5.10 160 Royal Gold AMBHL
    5. Thrower, Josh RD 3/17/96 R 5.11 172 POE T1 - T1 OMBT1
    6. Sandhu, Tyler C 1/7/96 R 5.11 148 Seafair A1-T1 PCBHL
    7. Quenneville, John LW 4/16/96 L 6.00 180 SSAC AMBHL
    8. Hicketts, Joe RD 5/4/96 L 5.06 169 Kamloops T1-T1 OMBT1
    9. Pilon, Ryan LD 10/10/96 L 6.01 168 Warman C4Ban
    10. Mappin, Ty C 1/25/96 L 5.10 154 Red Deer White AMBHL



    ISS Final Rankings / 2010 WHL Draft

    # / Name / Pos / Birth / Date / Ht. / Wgt. / Team / League
    1 / Alex Forsberg / C / 4-Jan-95 / 5.10 / 170 / Beardy’s MAAA / SMHL
    2 / Brian Williams / C / 10-Jan-95 / 5.08 / 141 / LA Selects / CalifBant
    3 / Matthew Needham / C / 17-Apr-95 / 5.09 / 170 / Penticton / B1-T1 / OMBT1
    4 / Madison Bowey / RD / 22-Apr-95 / 5.11 / 168 / Winn. Monarchs / WBD1
    5 / Morgan Klimchuk / C / 2-Mar-95 / 5.10 / 155 / Calgary Bisons / AMBHL
    6 / Tyler King-Cunnigham / LD / 18-Feb-95 / 6.00 / 174 / Notre Dame / SSBHL
    7 / Joshua Morrissey / LD / 28-Mar-95 / 5.11 / 165 / Calgary Royals / AMBHL
    8 / Joel Topping / LD / 10-Mar-95 / 6.00 / 170 / Red Deer Black / AMBHL
    9 / Johnathon Merkley / C / 27-May-95 / 5.11 / 162 / Calgary Bisons / AMBHL
    10 / Cory Millette / RW / 19-Jan-95 / 5.09 / 168 / Notre Dame / SSBHL
    11 / Tyson Baillie / C / 16-Nov-95 / 5.08 / 148 / Fort Sask. / AMBHL
    12 / Curtis Lazar / C / 2-Feb-95 / 5.10 / 159 / POE T1 / BCBant
    13 / Anthony Ast / C / 11-Feb-95 / 5.08 / 165 / BWC A1-T1 / PCBHL
    14 / Nic Petan / C / 22-Mar-95 / 5.06 / 133 / NSWC A1-T1 / PCBHL
    15 / Jesse Lees / RD / 14-Sept-95 / 5.11 / 168 / Calgary North. / AMBHL
    16 / Wyatt Noskey / C / 22-Jan-95 / 5.10 / 153 / Edmonton KC / AMBHL
    17 / Jaedon Descheneau / C / 22-Feb-95 / 5.07 / 145 / Leduc Oil Kings / AMBHL
    18 / Craig Leverton / C / 2-Jan-95 / 5.10 / 170 / Warman / C4Ban
    19 / Dylan Bowen / RD / 4-Apr-95 / 5.10 / 141 / POE T1 / BCBant
    20 / Kayle Doetzel / RD / 19-Jun-95 / 6.01 / 175 / West Central / C4Ban
    21 / Clay Spencer / F / 15-Feb-95 / 6.00 / 155 / Lethbridge / AMBHL
    22 / Gregory Chase / C / 1-Jan-95 / 5.10 / 164 / Sherwood Park / AMBHL
    23 / Raymond Grewal / LD / 7-Oct-95 / 6.01 / 160 / Prince George / BCTC
    24 / Tyler Fuhr / G / 30-May-95 / 5.11 / 150 / Sherwood Park / AMBHL
    25 / Scott Savage / LD / 11-Apr-95 / 5.11 / 150 / LA Selects / CalifBant
    26 / Jamal Watson / RW / 14-Jan-95 / 5.09 / 138 / Calgary Bronks / AMBHL
    27 / Tim McGauley / F / 23-Jul-95 / 5.10.5 / 150 / Lumsden/Beth. / SSBHL
    28 / Chad Labelle / C / 3-Jul-95 / 5.09 / 165 / Calg. Northstars / AMBHL
    29 / Ryan Miner / G / 14-Mar-95 / 5.11 / 150 / Win. Monarchs / WBD1
    30 / Torrin White / RW / 18-Feb-95 / 5.09 / 150 / Airdrie Xtreme / AMBHL

    Note: From what I hear, the US players and resident (such as Notre Dame) players get drafted lower than expected due to their higher risk of commiting to the NCAA.

    2009 WHL Bantam Draft ISS Top 20 Rankings

    RNK POS / NAME / CLUB
    1 / RD / DUMBA, Matt / Calgary Bronks
    2 / F / RANKIN, Connor / North Shore Winter Club
    3 / F / WINTHER, Michael / Airdrie Xtreme
    4 / LD / RIELLY, Morgan / Notre Dame Hounds
    5 / D / WALTERS, Nicolas / St. Albert Sabres
    6 / F / BALOG, Tayler / Weyburn Mission Wings
    7 / D / SMITH, Joshua / Red Deer Black
    8 / F / GEIGER, Trent / Calgary Royals
    9 / D / POULIOT, Derrick / Weyburn Mission Wings
    10 / F / JONES, Seth / Dallas Stars U16

    Source: Someone who leaked them to the public from ISS's well-run site!
    I just had to read the ISS Rankings once again for another laugh. Although they do have players in their that will go in the first round. They don't even have 2 of the top 3 players (Brycen Martin, Jake Virtanen) in their Top 10. Ryan Pilon will not be sliding to 9, he'll be top 3 as well. Very puzzling!

    Last years rankings were so-so but how could they have a star player like Lazar at 12? Wyatt Noskey in the first round is pure crazy as he's not even listed right now by a team. I could go on but I'll stop.

    Bottom line is, Lethbridge will get two very good players in this draft.

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    Imagine if the draft worked in the reverse order that it does now?
    Instead of rewarding teams for failing the league could see the best bantam players actually enter organizations that are successful at developing players. I wonder how much better a St. Croix would be with a Tri City, Spokane, or Vancouver.
    Imagine a top bantam player with a top org! They produce top players without top picks so you would think the combo of top player and top club would produce more than zero #1 NHL picks since 1996.
    The top developmental league in the world? That always makes me chuckle when I see poor organizations destroy players that had potential.
    Anyways, just a though.
    Just bothers me to see failure being rewarded.
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    Alberta Cup thoughtsisclaimer (I don't claim to be a scout)
    Brycen Martin-reminds me of Jay Bouwmeester. An absolute difference maker. Tall, great skater, offensive imagination, with some nastiness.
    Reid Duke-alot like Carter Ashton in many ways. Competive, skilled, big, and shows he wants to win.
    Tanner Mcmaster-smooth offensive player. A bit undersized but that shouldn't hold him back.
    Brayden Point-made me think of Brendan Gallagher. Small with plenty of skill, heart and unafraid of anything.
    Conner Blaeckly-made me think of Dwight King. Kind of that big, skilled, secondary type point producer.
    Cavin Leth-much like Dwight King again but a tier lower than Blaeckly.
    Gonek- a big skilled Dman that is in a tier lower than Martin.
    Ty Mappin- fast and skilled with a real offensive mind. A real pure offense guy!
    Blake Penner-my favorite player I saw besides Martin. A winner/assasin. He showed he could play small and big. Slips through tight areas and also could initiate contact. Skilled and really confident look about him.
    Tyler Wong-really don't get how this guy produces. He's slow, seems uninterested and never initiated contact yet at the end of the game he has 2 or 3 points. I just don't buy what he's selling.
    Riley Simpson-Captian of the Bruins team. Absolutely loved him. He doesn't dazzle you but he gets it done. I could see this guy being a captian on a winning team. He has so many intangibles.
    John Quenville-big, skilled, offensive. Liked him but not completely sold on him.
    Evan Polei- another player I felt was under the radar but I would put him high in the rankings. I think this kid has a real high ceiling.
    Mackenzie Bauer-far less than I had hoped. He really was invisible at times
    Kyle Pauls- felt the same about him as I did with Bauer. I'd hoped for so much more.
    Jake Dube- a real solid guy. In that second tier with Gonek.
    Derek Mazil- really was left dissapointed with him. I was really looking forward to seeing him donminate but it seemed like weak goal after weak goal for a poor team.
    Ben Thomas- second teir Dman again but behind Gonek and Dube. Many scouts drooled over him. I didn't get it.
    Sam Young- captian of the Northstars. Liked a lot about him. Seemed to not have that Wow factor though. Similar to Simpson but just not at Simpson's level. Saw some Carter Bancks in him.
    Jonny Hogue-kid was a showstopper puckstopper. Had a great tourney.
    Anyway, just some scattered opinions. So many great young players.
    Top 7,in Alberta
    Martin
    Penner
    Duke
    Simpson
    Mappin
    Blaeckly
    Polei
    MacMaster and Point are very good but how they do at the next level being smaller will be interesting to see.
    Okay, now I'm done. Haha
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    Default Way to go Bocephus..

    Guess we must have been watching the same players. (Me is no scout). I agree with you that Martin and Gonek were the two best d-men at the Alberta Cup. The two forwards that certainly caught my eye were Reid Duke who controlled the play, had a nose for the net, and has a one-timer shot that is hard to stop. Duke is big and strong and opens up the ice for his linemates. Ty Mappin will likely go in the top 5-10 as he all the offensive skill you can ask for. His move on the penalty shot was top notch. His two-way game will have to improve but as long as he is putting the puck in the net, that flaw will be overlooked.
    No matter who they take, the Hurricanes will have two top notched players. Plus throw in the forward from Abbotsford, and the top d-man from Manitoba (forgot their names) will give the Canes plenty to stock the cupboards with.

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    Pilon and Virtanen and Martin seem to be getting top three talk. Canes get one of those and then another blue chipper like Duke or Penner or some other from elsewhere and they look like winners. Love to see them take a flyer on Simpson. He more than likely goes NCAA but you see players come to the WHL later when they change their mind. If the Canes are good when he is 18 or 19 then maybe they could coax him to go Dub. Think Toews, Thelan, Duncan Keith...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bocephus View Post
    Pilon and Virtanen and Martin seem to be getting top three talk. Canes get one of those and then another blue chipper like Duke or Penner or some other from elsewhere and they look like winners. Love to see them take a flyer on Simpson. He more than likely goes NCAA but you see players come to the WHL later when they change their mind. If the Canes are good when he is 18 or 19 then maybe they could coax him to go Dub. Think Toews, Thelan, Duncan Keith...
    I am curious about that... would Simpson play in the Alberta Cup if he is planning to go to the NCAA? It's pretty much a WHL camp, do any guys ever tryout and play in this tournament but then choose to go the college route? I havn't followed it much before until this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canes77 View Post
    I am curious about that... would Simpson play in the Alberta Cup if he is planning to go to the NCAA? It's pretty much a WHL camp, do any guys ever tryout and play in this tournament but then choose to go the college route? I haven't followed it much before until this month.
    IMO if he's considering going NCAA, this camp would be great exposure for Team AB consideration. If he plays Midget or AJHL next year, he can still be evaluated, based on this camp amongst his peer group. And i don't think anyone, given the opportunity would turn down the AB cup.

    I was stand behind some (about 8) scouts from Portland during the 2 Friday morning games and saw that they had Duke rated as their top AB player.

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    I have not agreed with every comment you have made this year. But, I certainly agree on your evaluations at the rink last week , I do want to complement the Hurricane scouts and management . I think and perhaps because it was in our own town I saw everyone there from directors, business managers ,coaches and scouts there on every day for long hours, To me is was also interested to see which teams were not there for the same time frames and will look based our evaluations to see how we match up and how the scouts who did make the same commitments perform in a couple of years when these youngsters chosen show up in the WHL . Looks like there is also talent showing up in California this weekend as well. Are we going to take the chance of recruiting these players or are we going to go the safe way and let the US teams feast on this young talent as well? Also wondering what Robinson's son will find in Minnesota where he is scouting for us as well ? Looking forward to the draft and what changes we will see in personal come this fall !

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    Well it sounds like I may have an eye for evaluation.
    Sadly, I can't be a scout since I'm not over 50 years old and 100 pounds overweight!
    I wondered why there were so many MLB umpires at Nicholas Sheran until I realized they were scouts.
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    The more I think of this kid the more a comparison to Colten Yellow Horn comes to mind.
    Poor skater, slow, appears uninterested, not really physical, not very tall compared to his peers...but...he has great hands, accurate shot, can handle the puck in a tight areas, deliberate puck handler, recognizes goal scoring areas...I just don't know about him. He's an elite scorer so he can't be as bad as I thought he was could he?
    He seems like a boom or bust type talent. I'm sure many of us wondered how Yellow Horn got it done at times. I know I did.
    Anyone else have this guy pegged? I'd love to know your thoughts.
    "I promise that we will put an exciting fast paced product on the ice each and every game and bring back the winning tradition to Lethbridge." Berehowsky

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