Burroughs

[chopper]

There is a caveat surrounding Brooks IMO. Do you keep a 96 if he is not producing, and solely because of his birthday? He has not done anything as a 16 or 17 year old and has yet to show he belongs. All we are doing is "hoping" he comes around.

There is nothing to stop a "rearrangement" of our 96's and there are currently only two. Neither are impact players. We need 18 year olds but they must be capable of becoming solid 19 year old next season. IMO he performed roughly the level Kammerer did.

Keeping a guy just solely because of his birthday is questionable. In the upcoming days and months we need more 96's but moreover we need some better ones. IMO Harrison has shown he is the only true 96 building block we have. Brooks hasn't done anything to show he should stay. Moving kammerer shows they aren't afraid to move 18 year olds. As a 3rd year player he will be no better than a 3rd line player. Is that good enough coming from a 2nd rnd bantam pick? Just saying…….food for thought.

We may have to move a 96(Brooks) 97(Regan or Zimmer) , 95 (Hanson) and perhaps one 20 (McVeigh) to get a couple "good" 96's and d-man. I read where Reid Duke isn't happy. Duke, Folk and Bell would be nice additions. Really we don't have good 96's to add to.

[patsdude114]

Overview:
Age:
19- Hansen possible move/deal or reassigned.
18- Brooks possible move/deal or reassigned and I'm sure he wants out of Regina.
17- Kroaker will be reassigned.
16- Smith will be reassigned.

Kroeker and Smith are not going anywhere, if they were sending Smith back to midget they would of done so already due to schooling commitments.

I attended the Pats practice today and for the first 30mins of practice all they were working on was the PP & Kroeker was the center of the 2nd unit, they wouldn't be wasting time on him on that unit if they were reassigning him to Jr. A... what was very interesting though is they had Brooks on the point with Williams, but 1 would assume Burroughs will take that spot of Brooks.

Not on the ice for today's practice was Wagner McVeigh Burroughs

As for the '96 group yes its very weak and i can see a change with a swap for 18yr old for 18yr old . When you have a strong group of 17s and a quality 17 in Berg who did not make the cut you can afford to have a weak 18yr old group and just move forward with the 17s you have. We do have (5) '97 on forward still and they all have been playing some key roles besides Kroeker due to the opening weekend. Cole and McAmmond are slowly turning into PK guys.

We have 16 forwards and in that is (4) 20yr olds so one has to go so really we got 15 forwards kicking around still and IMO i think Hansen is on his way out prob as early as next week since Burroughs is back. So getting rid of 1 20yr old and a guy like Hansen puts us at 14 forwards and that's where you want to be. Our defense is already set and has been for a week or so already having 7 Dmen is what you want. Sure we may lack some beef back there so there may still be some roster juggling, seeing a guy like Bell come in would be great then that would mean 2 of either McVeigh/ D'Amico/ Christoffer would be gone and i truly do not see Christoffer going anywhere as he brings the most out of those 3 guys.

Myself i would love to see a package like this sent to LETH

Hansen
Brooks
Berg (cant afford to give away anymore picks so throw in a quality list player)

for

Bell
Folk (local kid 18yrs old and an upgrade over Brooks in terms of bringing more all around game)

then trade McVeigh to a team that needs a 20yr old upgrade for a 5th or 6th and move D'Amico via trade or release. Our roster numbers would still be same in terms of total numbers but get down 1 less forward and add 1 more Dman, i mean lets face it you always get injuries especially on defense having 8 Dmen is a good number to have.

Obviously its a pipe dream talking a trade in what you want to send out and get back. But our roster needs alittle tinkering still and needs some beef on it while not giving away more picks.

[WesternHockeyScout]

Moving kammerer shows they aren't afraid to move 18 year olds. As a 3rd year player he will be no better than a 3rd line player. Is that good enough coming from a 2nd rnd bantam pick? Just saying…….food for thought.

Well, Kammerer is an import. Very rare for those guys to stay as 20 year olds anyways.

My point is, if you are building for the future and building around Sam Steel then the time to address your 18 year old group is now. You want to have quality 20 year olds on your team when Steel is in his prime at 18 and if you wait until next year to upgrade this age group (or the year after) , then you just continue on the Parker treadmill of giving away more draft picks for marginal 19 and 20's.

You can stop that bleeding right now by acquiring a couple 18 year olds that will be here when they are 20. Maybe Harrison is one of them. Maybe Brooks is another. You need at least one more, if not 2, for some insurance. Cheaper to get them now, looking for 18 year olds due to break out, then to try and get them next year as established 19 year olds, or the following year as established 20 year olds.

I still maintain that Klimchuck would best utilized addressing this glaring weakness. If you can bring in 2 guys right now who will play 3 full years and be quality contributing 19 and 20 year olds, maybe playing as many as 400 games for the Pats combined and leading your guys - that's a pretty good return for 3 1/2 months of Morgan.

[sbtatter]

Will the Pats get the same haul for Klimchuk that the Blades got for Scherback? Not sure another team would overpay as much as Everett did?

[chopper]

WESTERNHOCKEYSCOUT

I totally get where your coming from and I don't necessarily disagree with the logic. It has some merit. I also understand where PD114 was coming from. With the shortage of draft picks 2015, 2016 that we operating under, not recovering some of those picks picks could set us back even further.

If we could recover some draft picks and get an 18 year old to boot, then I think that should be very doable. Depending on the year we have Klimchuk, Burroughs, and Wapple could be all dealt at the deadline. if we could get a couple 96's out of that and restock our draft board as well, things would be right in Patsland..lol. This is merely a thought but if Stephenson was sent back to Jr for any reason, I'm betting he would be moved for a good haul. The assets he could bring would be invaluable for a rebuilding/restocking club.

We should do something to help Steel and ourselves. One scout said that he doesn't think Steel will be here longer than 3 years. We better have something cooking when he's here for his 18 year old season. We may not see him when he's 19.

[chopper]

Will the Pats get the same haul for Klimchuk that the Blades got for Scherback? Not sure another team would overpay as much as Everett did?

There are two thoughts on this. Some people think that if you trade early the buying team has the player longer (more games) hence more value. The other thought is that at the deadline some teams that think they can legitimately make a run for it, will pay heavy for a proven star. History has shown that they often do just that.

I think the value of an NHL 1st rounder has been pegged and I fully expect that when Klimchuk is moved, there will be a very strong return.

[patsdude114]

Will the Pats get the same haul for Klimchuk that the Blades got for Scherback? Not sure another team would overpay as much as Everett did?

Not much of an over payment at all really..... Scherback is hands down the top euro in the WHL if he is returned (when the picks kick in) he should easily score 50 goals this year 40 forsure. Not bad when giving up a prospect goalie who didn't even make EVT that 16yr old Carter Hart already has a shutout this season. In 3 games (2 preseason 1 reg season) he has allowed 2 goals, pretty good for a 16yr old goalie.

So many think just cause these are euro's they shouldn't go for as much as a North American kid which I say BS too a rental player for 1yr doesn't matter if it's a euro or NA kid they want their talent for 1yr and 1yr only. Yes we are only allowed 2 euros but if you can add the top guy you send another euro home end of story.

As for the Steel comment if we only get Steel for 3yrs tops (which I expected anyways) it further more proves the point that we better get another 16yr in the Klimchuk deal who maybe isn't to highly touted by the NHL but who can be in the league til he is 19 or 20..... A guy like Kapsick in BRN will be a very good junior guy but Patrick and Clague could be gone after 3yrs as well.

[sbtatter]

Not much of an over payment at all really..... Scherback is hands down the top euro in the WHL if he is returned (when the picks kick in) he should easily score 50 goals this year 40 forsure. Not bad when giving up a prospect goalie who didn't even make EVT that 16yr old Carter Hart already has a shutout this season. In 3 games (2 preseason 1 reg season) he has allowed 2 goals, pretty good for a 16yr old goalie.

So many think just cause these are euro's they shouldn't go for as much as a North American kid which I say BS too a rental player for 1yr doesn't matter if it's a euro or NA kid they want their talent for 1yr and 1yr only. Yes we are only allowed 2 euros but if you can add the top guy you send another euro home end of story.

As for the Steel comment if we only get Steel for 3yrs tops (which I expected anyways) it further more proves the point that we better get another 16yr in the Klimchuk deal who maybe isn't to highly touted by the NHL but who can be in the league til he is 19 or 20..... A guy like Kapsick in BRN will be a very good junior guy but Patrick and Clague could be gone after 3yrs as well.

I just think Sherback is gone for the start of the season, WJC possibly as well, and there always seems to be a bit more risk with a Euro prospect than an equivalent skilled NA prospect in junior. I think regina got a way better deal with padakin than Everett did with Sherbak, 2 spotter or not.....
The one hope for Bdn with patrick is that he's in the draft the year after Steel and Clague are, so he might stick around for 4 seasons......

[patsdude114]

The one hope for Bdn with patrick is that he's in the draft the year after Steel and Clague are, so he might stick around for 4 seasons......

actually come to think of it Patrick is a late birthday and falls into the same thing Pulock did so unless he makes the NHL right out of the draft 4 seasons seems about right. But I guess a lot can happen from now until then when it comes to Steel and Clague and then sometimes NHL teams will send them back as well if they feel that junior team has a legit shot at a league championship which really favours the WKs

[patsdude114]

the Canes have released Tyler Bell.... oh how I would love it if Paddock picked him up for nothing and then released D'Amico and try to trade McVeigh for a piddly pick

not 100% sure on the source yet if its true but I guess will find out sometime today if it is true or not