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Thread: MEMORIAL CUP/POT POURI

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    Default MEMORIAL CUP/POT POURI

    It's going to take a long time to come to terms with the Humboldt Bronco accident. Almost everyone I've spoken to feels a raw emotion and great sadness and empathy. It's hard to say something that hasn't been said. We all care deeply.

    I listened to JP on his preparation for the Memorial Cup and it's appears there will be issues stemming from last Friday that he will have to deal with in addition to his team preparedness. When they were eliminated it seemed like a long time but time is marching along pretty quickly. It can't get here soon enough to suit me.

    The MJ Warriors are on the ropes now needing two wins against SC to win the East. The fact both teams are in the second round is a topic for another time but it's ridiculous IMO. Out in the Central Divison the Lethbridge Hurricanes have won the Central and will play in the Conference FinalÖ.the Hurricanes you say???? I tend to think Logan Flodell is the primary reason they have got this far. In the West the Tri-Cities Americans are a surprise and have won eight in a row, and will now face the Silvertips. I think the Tips had a tougher go to get there, but they have Carter Hart.

    May 3 is the annual Bantam Draft and looking at our board, it would be a gross understatement to say it is "thin". I hope JP can land a couple picks for futures.

    I just threw this new thread out here for really any topic at all. Will be good to hear from the crew again.

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    Geez what to think about this years playoffs. This is the second year in a row that the Warriors were unable to get past the second round. Swift Current was the better club and probably should have won it in six games, but for an iffy call on the tying goal in game six. The were also fortuitous on a real questionable penalty that allowed MJ to win a game in PA. I guess their luck ran out. The problem for Swift Current is something the Pats learned last season. When you keep needing to go to seven games, it wears a team out, risk of injury, and mental fatigue. Now they're up against an inferior but rested and highly motivated Lethbridge club. Flodell will have something to say and prove. They had better not take them lightly and since Lethbridge has had an easy go of it, they are very rested and refreshed.

    I think it puts into perspective how good the Pats played SC, and how very very close those teams were. If the Pats can stay sharp they are in a position to be very dangerous in the Memorial Cup. Owen Sound took the Soo to 7 games tonight that the Soo won 9-7 so they are in tough in their league. It's not a guarantee they will emerge, however should. But then again so should have MJ.

    I have read a few comments about how this team or that team paid too much, or will have trouble because of the loss of picks, are going to be in the dumps, etc. I think most of that is wishful thinking on their part and by in large is a bunch of BS! I checked the rated final WHL players with some surprises: Of the 22 kids taken in the first round of the 2015 Draft, only 14 made the CS List. 8 first rounders were not even on Central Scouting's list at all. Of the 46 players listed, on 14 were first rounders. Many of them (1st rounders) were way down on Central Scouting list, and some won't be drafted when the OHL, QMJHL, USHL, Tier 2, and Europeans are taken into consideration. By the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round Bantam picks the numbers drop off exponentially. Point to this all is that it's more important to draft the "right" type of players in the Bantam Draft and mould them into the team you are trying to forge. Often it's about the coaching and the system than anything else. One only has to look at Kelowna who year after year have quality teams yet rarely ever get a top 1st round Bantam pick. Many teams have had top picks year after year but rarely accomplish anything. It's much more than just having a bunch of picks.

    I like Swift Current in the East and Everett in the West. After that it's tough to say.

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    I think Manny outcoached Tim Hunter in the MJ & Broncos series. Tim Hunter excused his team of being banged up, which the broncos were too. (He didn't even shake the Broncos team's hands after the series. ) I agree the Broncos had to eliminate two of the best teams in the WHL to advance to the third round which is a shame they had to meet in the first and second rounds. I hope the Broncos get healed and rested enough to beat Lethbridge in 5 - 6 games, although both teams will be quite motivated to beat the other with the huge trade the two made at the deadline. It would be awesome to meet up against the Pats again at the Memorial Cup!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quarter Century Fan View Post
    I think Manny outcoached Tim Hunter in the MJ & Broncos series. Tim Hunter excused his team of being banged up, which the broncos were too. (He didn't even shake the Broncos team's hands after the series. ) I agree the Broncos had to eliminate two of the best teams in the WHL to advance to the third round which is a shame they had to meet in the first and second rounds. I hope the Broncos get healed and rested enough to beat Lethbridge in 5 - 6 games, although both teams will be quite motivated to beat the other with the huge trade the two made at the deadline. It would be awesome to meet up against the Pats again at the Memorial Cup!!
    I hope SC appreciates what a great coach/GM Manny is. He also wins and loses with class. I really canít say the same for Hunter.

    That SC building is sold out every playoff game and the fan travel well. In my opinion the fans deserve this team.

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    Default 2018 Draft

    Wow I was looking at the available picks the Pats have and does it ever look thin. Barring some form of move by Paddock they aren't going to pick until the 6th round. It's even worse than I thought because I had forgotten an asset from a previous years trade. Lucky for us we get a pick for sending Riley Bruce to Everett. You won't get much with # 130 in the draft. As I can recall this is even worse than it was in the 2001 draft. It's a tough piece of meat to chew on and certainly raises a lot of questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    Wow I was looking at the available picks the Pats have and does it ever look thin. Barring some form of move by Paddock they aren't going to pick until the 6th round. It's even worse than I thought because I had forgotten an asset from a previous years trade. Lucky for us we get a pick for sending Riley Bruce to Everett. You won't get much with # 130 in the draft. As I can recall this is even worse than it was in the 2001 draft. It's a tough piece of meat to chew on and certainly raises a lot of questions.
    Barring any trades, Brandon is scheduled to have picked nine players before Regina has their first pick. Not sure what other teams have for early picks.

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    I guess the ultimate is to make the Mem Cup or host it, however, the moves that are needed to field a competitive team can really set an organization back for a number of years. Some fancy footwork will be neede by Paddock to recoup some of the lost draft picks. I cannot see any other teams feeling sorry for the Pats though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by booboo View Post
    I guess the ultimate is to make the Mem Cup or host it, however, the moves that are needed to field a competitive team can really set an organization back for a number of years. Some fancy footwork will be neede by Paddock to recoup some of the lost draft picks. I cannot see any other teams feeling sorry for the Pats though.
    I donít think we are looking for sympathy. Draft picks are assets, but so are proven players that have played in the Memorial Cup. And that is what the Pats will have next year.

    The Pats have a couple of kids they have signed in the last few months that have a good up side. Starting with Dubinsky and I think we was a 6 or 7th rounder?

    The most important part is that this management understands how to build a contender. And I think most fans realize there will be a couple of down years to rebuild. That is junior hockey.

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    Default Pats take 9 in Bantam Draft

    I followed the Bantam Draft , however after the first two rounds it's a bit anti-climactic since all the best are gone. The Pats were able to make a trade with Victoria and grab Forward Jake Snashall (6' - 162 lbs) out of Calgary. McMullin says he's big and can skate. He was injured early in the year but came on strong over the rest of the season. He was on the Alberta Cup team. Respectable numbers. Over the rest of the draft there were a number of unknowns taken by the Pats, but evidently all good skaters. An interesting kid is D-man Marcus Taylor out of the Burnaby Winter Club (6" −150 lbs). This kid won the hardest shot competition in his Bantam League registering 74MPH. Some Pro guys have a hard time bringing much more than that.

    For the most part for all the teams it's a lot the same. They all have list of 8-10 names they selected and now it remains to see how many out that group actually ever pans out and become anything in the WHL. Even taking a kid early in the draft means little actually, and lots of them don't make it. If the Pats can get two or three contributors out of this draft then they will have done well. In fact most teams aren't likely to do any better if the past tells us anything.

    Now the cupboards have been re-stocked albeit not top picks if that means much. However all are apparently for the most part, big lanky kids who can skate and have a lot of growth potential. This draft like all others can't be quantified for two or three years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper View Post
    Wow I was looking at the available picks the Pats have and does it ever look thin. Barring some form of move by Paddock they aren't going to pick until the 6th round. It's even worse than I thought because I had forgotten an asset from a previous years trade. Lucky for us we get a pick for sending Riley Bruce to Everett. You won't get much with # 130 in the draft. As I can recall this is even worse than it was in the 2001 draft. It's a tough piece of meat to chew on and certainly raises a lot of questions.

    Would be allot easier to chew on if the depletion of picks was done for the players that Swift Current took, the guys I was touting before the trade deadline

    But what's done is done , Paddock a good coach but his player management is awful.he should be stripped of player personnel duties

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