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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonergroupie View Post
    None more than captain Johnson who has done next to nothing for 15-20 games even though he has spent much of it playing with one of the best players in the league.
    I am not really sure anyone but you expected him to put up more than 50 points. He is among the league leaders in faceoff wins (possibly the leader?), and is strong on the backcheck. He simply doesn't have a good enough shot to be much more than that.

    Like I said, biggest mistake of the season, not trading Hagel to set this team up nicely for future years
    I think that is a rather glib interpretation of how things actually work in the WHL.. An end of the round 1st round pick or two would have been welcome moving forward, but realistically there are only so many roster spots/education contracts available. it certainly wasn't going to drastically change the fortunes of the team.

    as it is becoming more and more evident that the Tarzwells, Bains and Morozoffs are not capable of doing it going forward.
    Tough to say. Bains and Morozoff are only in their 17 year old seasons, so a lot can still happen with them. That being said, it is extremely clear that this team was exceeding all expectations early in the season, and as the season progressed, a lot of the players on the team have clearly 'plateaued', while the other teams in the league have continued to improve.

    Next season will likely be a tough one, as while they should have a decent returning overage group, but they will lose Alexeyev. Alexeyev missed 14 games this season, and the Rebels scored one power play goal during that entire time, and looked decidedly hesitant whenever he wasn't in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SectionNDeserter View Post

    I think that is a rather glib interpretation of how things actually work in the WHL.. An end of the round 1st round pick or two would have been welcome moving forward, but realistically there are only so many roster spots/education contracts available. it certainly wasn't going to drastically change the fortunes of the team.

    That being said, it is extremely clear that this team was exceeding all expectations early in the season, and as the season progressed, a lot of the players on the team have clearly 'plateaued', while the other teams in the league have continued to improve.

    Next season will likely be a tough one, as while they should have a decent returning overage group, but they will lose Alexeyev. Alexeyev missed 14 games this season, and the Rebels scored one power play goal during that entire time, and looked decidedly hesitant whenever he wasn't in the lineup.
    Obviously Sutter thought there was more to it than a bunch of players overachieving. Look what he gave up to bring Hausinger and Davis in. I think the way it is supposed to work in the WHL is you donít trade your young guys and draft picks away in a year where you potentially donít make the playoffs. And then to not trade a game changer away in the same year to stuff the shelves with potential prospects and picks is an error again.
    I get that Hausinger and Davis can come back as 20 year olds, but unless their play is much more consistent next year, and someone steps up a bit more offensively in their 20 year old season, Red Deer will have average 20 year olds next year. The choice between these two forwards and two good defensive defensemen.

    Alexeyev has been back for a while and the power play has continued to suck so not sure you can pin it on that. Power play hasnít been that good for years. Looks more like they need to revamp the whole thing again.

    The real test will be to see how the players respond to the tongue lashing they just got as if years past are any indication the year is now a write off as they will quit playing for Sutter. Hopefully they prove it wrong and come up with two big wins against Edmonton this weekend. Will be interesting to see.

    Regardless of anyoneís opinion, if you finish the year out of the playoffs with Brandon Hagel in the lineup and gave up all those picks to bring in two 19 year olds, it was a mistake. Probably why Sutter is so upset right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonergroupie View Post
    Obviously Sutter thought there was more to it than a bunch of players overachieving. Look what he gave up to bring Hausinger and Davis in. I think the way it is supposed to work in the WHL is you donít trade your young guys and draft picks away in a year where you potentially donít make the playoffs.
    He made that trade prior to the team leveling off, and it was made more with next season in mind anyways. At the time of the trade, he had two fringe WHL'ers returning as overage players next season. Regardless of the outcome of next season, at least he can't say that he didn't try to add a strong leadership core.

    And then to not trade a game changer away in the same year to stuff the shelves with potential prospects and picks is an error again.
    Again, it wouldn't be stuffing the shelves. He would have gotten a 1st rounder from around the end of the 1st round, and a later pick, and probably an unproven prospect.

    I get that Hausinger and Davis can come back as 20 year olds, but unless their play is much more consistent next year, and someone steps up a bit more offensively in their 20 year old season, Red Deer will have average 20 year olds next year.
    Davis and Hausinger have been putting up almost a point per game on the second line since coming over, and will be a fixture on the first line next season.

    The choice between these two forwards and two good defensive defensemen.
    Who are the two good defensive defensemen? Are you thinking they pick up another import defenseman in the draft? Masters will be a lock next season, and barring offseason moves, will join Barteaux, Herauf, Sakowich, Gottfried, Leslie and possibly Donahoe. That is a pretty crowded blueline.

    Alexeyev has been back for a while and the power play has continued to suck so not sure you can pin it on that. Power play hasnít been that good for years. Looks more like they need to revamp the whole thing again.
    When you watch it though, if Alexeyev is on the point, they are able to move the other team's forwards around a lot more. Without him, they barely even guard the point. Having no other defensemen that can shoot would be a lot easier to swallow, if they weren't so bad on the penalty kill too.

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